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Proof of God V: Even the Year 1611 is Referenced in Acts - Ep 10

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4 Apr, 2024
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As believers we are expected to test what we’re told; to research, and especially to read, otherwise we would not be able to know God as He has given us the Bible in a written format.  We are expected to study and seek out teachers.

By evaluating a variety of preacher/teachers, we can establish in our own minds what is right or wrong.  As well as weeding out the snakes!  We alone, individually, are responsible for our own salvation and cannot ‘blame’ anyone else if we’re led astray.

The 1560 Geneva Bible was the first Bible to use Chapter and Verse numbers. Take a moment to consider these facts referenced within the King James Bible.  Words and their structures changed from the earlier Bibles that formed the numerical perfection that is in the King James Bible.  No other Bible can be measured in the same way, the words in the King James Bible can be calculated.

Complete Bibles 1535

Numbers Don't Lie

  1. In the 1611 King James Bible, in Deuteronomy 16:11, the word man-servant and maid-servant both lost their hyphens and became manservant and maidservant, reducing the number of words from the 1560 Geneva and earlier bibles to provide us with this verse that has a perfect 49 words = 7x7.
  1. In Deuteronomy 16:11, it is the 1611th mention of the word LORD.
  1. In Deuteronomy 16:11, the word LORD is the 7th word in the verse.
  1. In Deuteronomy 16:11, the word LORD is the 49th word in the verse = 7x7.
  1. In Deuteronomy 16:11 it says, ‘Rejoice in the place that God places His name’. which is in the Word of God, i.e., the Bible. It is the 49th time ‘His Name’ is mentioned in the Bible. 49 = 7x7.
  1. In the 1611 King James bible, it is the first time that the word LORD was differentiated between the word Jehovah: LORD in uppercase and Adonai: Lord in lower case. This first occurred in Matthew 22:44.

Deut Acts 1611

Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Old Testament.  Acts is the fifth book of the New Testament.  Acts is a history of the early Church and Acts 16:11 specifically points to the year 1611!!!

Acts 16:11 says ‘Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis’.  

This short, seemingly unimportant verse gives us three things; it gives us the Where, Who and the When.

16:11 - Where

Prior to Acts 16:11, Paul was travelling from Galatia to Phrygia and on to Mysia.  The Holy Spirit told him not to travel to Bithynia, on the Black Sea or Asia, which is present day Turkey and specifically the area in which the seven churches are in Revelation.

Asia Map

Paul was given a vision and direction from the Holy Spirit to travel to Macedonia.  To achieve that they travelled to Troas (Troy) now called Dalyon on the coast of Turkey.  They sailed from Troas to Samothracia (Samothraki) and then on to Neapolis (now called Nea Kavali in Greece).  

Samothracia has a mountain on it called Mt Fengari which was used in classical antiquity by sailors for navigation.  It is 1611 meters high!  The significance of this is enormous.  It proves (to me at least) God knew measurement units would change from cubits and leagues to centimetres and meters (which happened in 1791 in France). 

It is important to note that Neapolis is in Macedonia, Greece.  It is Europe.  This is the first time the Word of God has set foot in Europe by Men of God.

16:11 - Who

The people in this group were Paul, Timothy, Silas, and Luke.  There are 27 books in the New Testament.  Paul and Luke wrote 16 of the books, leaving 11. 16 + 11 = 27

Complete Bibles from 1535 

16:11 - When

In Acts 16:11 is the 1611th mention of the word ‘day’ in the Bible.  A notable day indeed.

Acts Day 

Acts 1611 day

Taking a Straight Path

Looking at the journey on a map, It shows from Jerusalem to London and also from Troas, to Samothracia, to Neapolis is a straight path to London where the 1611 Bible was to be printed in 1611.

Straight Path Troas London 

Other Notable Days/Years

1517, which marks the day on which Martin Luther nailed his 95 Thesis to the door of Wittenberg Castle Church.  Acts 15:17 says ‘That the residue of men seek after the Lord’ which matches what Martin Luther was doing.

Acts 1611 1517

In 313 AD, Constantine ‘legalised’ Christianity.  Acts 3:13 says ‘The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him (and Christians) go.

Acts 1611 313 

No Bible Can Be Authentic Because They Are Written By Men

When I first became a believer, I was told and read and heard that there were many Bibles, and it was up to me as to which one I chose to read.  I heard more comments from people saying that the Bible was unreliable because there were so many versions, and no one had possession of the definitive book.

Now let’s put a 21st century spin on it.  How about from around time of 1611, God wanted to ensure His word was provided to mankind in an uncorrupted format.  He even stated that no one was to add or alter His word in Revelation 22:18-19.

However, it has not stopped people and publishers printing their own versions, which to date there are, according to Wikipedia, 168 full alternative versions and 58 partial versions.  All these versions began appearing from 1752 onwards, 140 years after the publication of the King James Bible. Yet there is no copyright on the 1611 KJB. 

It is unsurprising that Satan would want to flood the world with counterfeit Bibles as a line of defence to mankind learning about God and knowing Jesus is the Son of God and enabling us to have eternal life if we have faith to believe.

Everything in our societies works against people to stop them learning about God and Jesus and The Holy Spirit.  If the basics cannot be trusted, then naturally nothing else can be either.  One only must turn on YouTube or look at Facebook to see how corrupt most of the church is and how debased the rest of the world is to realise that Satan has never stopped influencing everyone from children to adults.

It's a Really Good Book (Seriously!)

I once heard a pastor say during a sermon, holding up a copy of a bible (not KJB) “this is a really good book, you really must read it”.  Her husband once said to me, after I had shown him my journals after completing a year-long Bible study, “it’s not right to make the Bible an idol”.

It matters not who they are, but if pastors will minimise the fundamentals of faith in God which starts with reading and learning everything about the Bible, most churchgoers will tell you to pick and choose whichever Bible you take a liking to.  I was even told to get a copy of The Message as it might be easier to read being a new believer!

Do not be deceived; there is a battle going on out there and many, many people from pastors to zip-up bible carrying Christians are ready to help deflect or avert focus from God and The Bible.  They would profess they wouldn’t but it’s an unchecked reflex!

What If Teaching Started With The Numbers First?

With so many believable anti-bible, anti-Christ, and non-believers out there, it can be difficult to get a handle on the whole faith-thing.  When people like Stephen Fry are so able to get airtime on radio, TV or anywhere on the Internet spouting comments like God allowing bone cancer and that He is an evil, uncaring, capricious God and is applauded around the world for his lambasting of God, then it is hardly surprising that many struggle with faith.

I have one thing to say – look at what God did to Sodom & Gomorrah – do you really think God is concerned about someone who lives a lifestyle He abhors, yet so many people are influenced by people like Mr Fry.  Few can construct logical arguments to convince and persuade (Acts 17:4) with a backdrop of the entertainment industry.

When confronted with articulate and seemingly eloquent arguments from celebrities, it only serves to support the enemy’s strategy of dissuading potential followers.

That’s why I believe a certain type of evangelism is needed to prove the veracity Bible contents first, to cut through the layered cynicism taught from an early age by the new royalty called 'celebrity'.

Proof of God Series

As a call to action, I have listed the previous articles in the Proof of God series which all point to the numerical perfection held and visible within the King James Bible.  The next time someone tells you that the Bible can’t be trusted, you have a good starting point to help them in the right direction.

Proof of God I: Mathematically Perfect Bible from Beginning to End

Proof of God II: Forgive 70 x 7 Times

Proof of God III: Why the Bible is Specific About 153 Fishes

Proof of God IV: 666 The Mark of the Beast System

The research for this series was obtained from Brandon Peterson and in particular his YouTube channel Truth is Christ.  Please visit and support him.

Podcast Transcript

Nigel: Well, welcome, welcome. Welcome to our our podcast, The Living in Faith Podcast. I'm Nigel Maine.
Liz: And I'm Liz Maine
Nigel: And we've been doing a series and this is the fit in and kind of, I would say like the final, final part of this short series. I mean, it's still going to we're going to be around next week, but this is just to complete this this, this series, what we're calling like proof of God. And it's proof of God for us.
Nigel: And I'd like to think for for people listening to this or for people people this is like, Hello, London, how are you? But for for our listener, you, our listener. And basically what we're what with what we what we're doing and what this is about today is about the King James Bible you think of, okay, we're big deal.
Nigel: But in particular the 1611, not the 1759 I think is the other one, which is quite popular. But but basically the the 1611 Bible and what we what we know as believers is we know is that we're expected to test what we're told as on an ongoing basis and to research. And one of the points of of the Bible it's in it's written is in writing, which means you've you would have to have learned how to read and write before you can actually understand God's word, which kind of makes a bit of a mockery of getting baptised when you're a child because you have no idea about what it what it's about.
Liz: No.
Nigel: So we're expected to to read and we're expected to study and we also have to seek out teachers because not all of them are going to be good teachers. It is a way of looking at it. And and so we have to establish in our own minds what's right and wrong and and weeding out the snakes. And that's the only the only way of putting it.
Nigel: But the bottom line is, is that we we are responsible for our own salvation. Nobody else is. And therefore, what stops people and I think it's it's some of factual information that stops people. Would it would it I mean, I, I mean once when when we going to do prayer, we're going to pray before we continue. And then we're going to we're going to start with this.
Nigel: I think I think that's best way to do it. We've got we've got to pray. We pray.
Liz: Okay. Thank you, Lord, for blessing this with this time. And we just give you thanks for what you've been revealing to us over the last few weeks. And we just pray that we can share this. And as you as you have asked us to do, to pray this Lord in Jesus name.
Nigel: Amen. I mean.
Liz: I think that discernment that's really important because we've watched lots and lots of teachers over the time that we've been believers. And and in that time of the 15 years, YouTube has kind of taken on a life of its own. And, you know, we first started watching stuff on TV.
Nigel: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Liz: But they came.
Nigel: They came and they did.
Liz: Yeah. Okay.
Nigel: A side note here, So we, we for some, some reason we're in contact with GOD TV.
Liz: I think we've reached out to them for.
Nigel: What it.
Liz: Was. I think it was a spontaneous just contact Nigel.
Nigel: No, no. I reached out to him for some reason and then they. We got in kind of a dialog and conversation. Then they came round and, and filmed us and got, did a testimony and they sent a film crew around as a long time ago. And now we've got all our own gear.
Liz: But, but I think, you know, we started off really that we started off in church, but then we started looking at stuff on TV that we've not really looked at. And, you know, one thing led to another and we've we've been looking at YouTube for a long time. We've looked at different things. We've talked about this before. We'll probably talk about it again.
Liz: And but I think for us and for anybody and everybody listening out there, it's really important that you you ask God for discernment because not all teaching is good teaching and even some of the good teaching can be interspersed with stuff that's not quite right or is not quite biblical. Yeah. And so I think it's really important that you you use your discernment and and I think we've been, you know, we've been led to these particular videos and it's been quite the journey.
Liz: I mean, we've watched in the future. We've not just didn't just watch them once we watched them like two or three times each, each each video we've watched two or three times and every time we watch it, we just kind of disbelief at how big this is, how important this is to people.
Nigel: I mean, a lot people in in church, Christians, people that we all we've all met and seen. And so they go to to a fairly significant extent, are all quite religious in their own ways. You know, they start, I'm not religious, but you find that you realize actually they are they all they're all very religious and, you know, you know, people saying that, I remember one one guy said to me, all revelation was written by someone who's been on the wacky back, you know, And, you know, it wasn't he wasn't really it wasn't a full ticket.
Nigel: And you think.
Liz: Ramblings of a an old fool or something.
Nigel: Yeah. It's just like and these are these the evangelicals, you know, the so-called evangelicals. And before we can continue, we can go down lots of different paths. But I've got I've got to say that that information about today, about the King James six, specifically the 1611 King James Bible, is actually written across time. And I'm not I'm not too I'm I'm not talking it was written over a number of years.
Nigel: It was it was edited across time, I think is the only way to to communicate that. So but so to kind of concentrating on this on these these this on this the Bible the early Bible stuff in 1560, the Geneva Bible was the first Bible that used chapters and verses as in the numbers for chapters and verses. And so it's and in however many, you know, 500 years ago that words changed.
Nigel: And in in particular, we're going to come on to manservant and maidservant. And they were two words and then later over the years they became one word. And that has a significance in the I come on to that in the second. So the point with the the 611 King James is there is no other book or Bible Bible or book in the world that can be numerically confirmed and established, as can the King James six specifically, and only the 1611 is not copy written.
Nigel: There's no copyright on it. But there is a caveat on the last page which says, If you change it, I'll kill you basically. And that's it. So nobody's changed it. But there are lots and lots of different versions. And you think, Well, why would it be so many different versions if you've you know, if you've got this particular one that's not, you know, there's no copyright on it.
Nigel: Well, I can't that on second, let me just run through some of these these very specific points. So the 1611 King James Bible in Deuteronomy this that's Deuteronomy 16, Chapter 16, verse 11, it mentions the word Man seven and mate seven. But by this, by 1611, they had lost their hyphens between them and they became one word, which meant this first became exactly 49 words, which is seven times seven.
Nigel: Again, in verse 1611, there is the 1,611th mention of the word Lord again in six verse chapter 1611. Again, the word Lord is the seventh word in the verse, and it's also the 49th word in the verse, which is seven times seven again and 1611 it says, Rejoice in the place that God places his name, which is the Word of God, which is the Bible, and it's also the 49th time in the Bible.
Nigel: It says his name, which is 14. I read seven times seven in 1611. Again, it was the first time in the history of the Bible's that the word Lord was differentiated to two to show the difference between Jehovah and Adonai and Jehovah was was put in as all uppercase and Adonai was just a capital L and this happened in Matthew 2244.
Nigel: And by the way, all the, all the specifics are mentioning, they're all going to be they all are already. So it's on the website, on the standard website and this 10th, this 10th episode. So sorry time. So moving on, Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Old Testament. And so what prompted this guy, Brandon, to look at this was he wanted to see what else was going to be in 1611.
Nigel: So he looked at Acts 1611, which is the fifth book of the New Testament.
Liz: And and it's the book that records church history, isn't it? Yeah, Yeah. History. Yeah. And it's written in it. I think for those maybe don't know. I always struggled a bit with that because I couldn't quite understand how it kind of fitted in. Yeah. Because a lot of the rest of the Bible, I mean there's a lot of narrative.
Liz: I mean we just that's one. Samuel and there's a lot of narrative, there's a lot of storytelling. But act seemed to be in many ways out of place in the New Testament. For me, I couldn't understand it because because it also stopped really abruptly. And, you know, it stops and very sort of suddenly about Paul Yeah, the Pope got to Rome or something like that.
Liz: No hundred percent sure. Yeah. And then I and then somebody said to me, or I heard somewhere that it was written as a letter to somebody, and they, they thought that maybe this letter was written in order to give the person, the receiver of the letter may be have been was maybe Paul's legal fees.
Nigel: So filthy.
Liz: Australasia I think that was to give the legal counsel for Paul a background about because that Paul doesn't appear I don't think until I jump to verse or chapter seven or chapter eight and and he suddenly pops up. But then when I understood that it was this letter, it was about his legal counsel, and it was like, the part is a history of the church.
Liz: And then Paul's journey and and then up to that point when he was going to Rome and it was like, now I understand it, now that fits and then we can move on. So I just wanted to because I don't know if some people don't maybe don't know that, but that I can't I don't even know where I got that piece of information.
Liz: But I think that's interesting that it's about the early church history. But the context was it was it was about. Paul Yeah.
Nigel: I mean I mean and the point the point with this this bit with 1611 is that because Luke's involved in this.
Liz: Yeah.
Nigel: So in 1611 acts 1611 it's if you looked at it you wouldn't, you wouldn't think anything of it And it reads therefore Lucy from TROs, we came with a straight course to Sam a thrice year and the next day to Nicopolis and that's it. It's nothing else. So I think you look at it, you go.
Liz: Well, remarkable, unremarkable.
Nigel: What's the point on earth is the big deal. Now, the thing is, you've got three things going on in that short verse. You've got aware who and when. So the where be you got Paul was traveling from Galatia which is kind of inside Turkey through to Friar and onto Mercia and and he wanted to go to Bethania and the Holy Spirit said no you're not going there.
Nigel: And so he thought, Well, I'll go to Asia then. And it's not the same Asia, but it's this is the area where the seven churches are mentioned in the in the revelation in Book of Revelation. But the Holy Spirit said, no, you're not going there either. You're going straight ahead. You're going to you're going to go to Macedonia.
Nigel: So you go, okay, so we've got these these particular locations. And so Paul Paul is given this vision to go to to Macedonia, if I chose that choice is Troy was now called Italian, which is on the coast of Turkey. And so it says that. So they sailed from Traverse to Samothrace here, which is some Iraqi Greek island and then onto Nicopolis, which is called near Kavala, which is in Greece.
Nigel: So I think yeah, I mean, it doesn't really get much more boring than that really.
Liz: No.
Nigel: Until you realize, wait a second, they're making a straight course from Turkey to Annapolis and stopping at this place called Sam right here. Smith ratio, I mean, to find this information out is bizarre.
Liz: But it connects because I'm not sure whether and it's we've included because we've got this is on the website as well is it as a document as it is an article. But this was the first place that the the word of God or God, if you like, entered Europe with us.
Nigel: So I'm going to Well that's well that's we've, we've got that somewhere because I did put that in Oxford. I don't pretend I thought it put that in there somewhere. I didn't.
Liz: I didn't remember it. But the thing is Nicholas is in Greece and Greece is obviously in Europe. It's not like modern day Turkey is supposed to be part of Europe when.
Nigel: Yeah, interesting. I did. I didn't put the Europe thing in there. No I didn't. But back to Sam Australia because that's the point I was on. Yeah. Smith Ratio has a mountain on it which was used in antiquity as a navigational location. Smith Risha has got Mount Finger on it and it's 611 meters high. So you think, well, that's quite interesting, 607 meters high, in fact.
Nigel: 1611 And they are going over to Annapolis and Nicopolis, which is in Europe. So it's the first time that the Word of God was taken by men of God to Europe. Now, the other part of this is that the people who were involved were were Paul, Luke, Timothy and Silas. Now Paul and Luke wrote 16 of the 27 books in the New Testament.
Nigel: You can do the maths 16 from 2711, so you've got 16 plus 11. And so, so and the date for the for the day is the, the dimension of day in Acts 1611 is the 1,611th mentioned of day in the Bible. So kind of looking at this and everything seems to be pointing to this particular date and I think that it gets to a point where you start to realize, wait a second, this is this this whole issue to do with the 16 level is far, far bigger than we could ever have imagined.
Nigel: And so part and parcel of this, looking at some other very significant dates because acts is about the church, you've got 1517. So Acts 1517 when it said and that references 15, 17 references Martin Luther and the Reformation and in X570 it says that the residue of men seek after the Lord, which is exactly what Martin Luther was doing.
Nigel: It's the residue of men seeking after the Lord in Acts 313. Now, what that's what the relevance of that is, that it was the Council of Milan, this edict of Milan that was mentioned, and it says in Acts 13, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, had glorified his son, whom he delivered up and denied him in the presence of pilot who was determined to let him go.
Nigel: Now, this is talking about Pilar and specifically saying that pilot was determined to let Jesus go and the Christians go. And that, again, is exactly what Constantine did by legalizing Christianity and letting the Christians go. So when we look at this and I it's not that I'm having difficulty get my head around it. I just think that we have been it feels like we've been sold short in in the church.
Nigel: Yeah, I think that's probably the only way to describe it. And and I think that, you know, I remember when we first became believers, like go and choose a Bible, any Bible, any Bible, you know, any one of them do, whether it was an LTA, we got an L, an an, l, t and then some we can try the messages.
Nigel: It's quite an easy read. And so over time we we've mentioned this before, but over time we realized that there were lots of different Bibles. And then we started reading and learning about some Bibles included information, some Bibles didn't. And then we've kind of come full circle now to understand why these other Bibles exist in the first place.
Nigel: And this, this, this one. And I can't remember how many how many there are now. I think that there's 168 full versions and 50 something partial versions of the Bible. Yet why would these different Bibles exist? Well, now it makes sense because you don't want people that if you look, you're going to put like a conspiratorial spin on it and go what site wouldn't want you reading it and believing it?
Liz: But if you want to hide stuff, the best way to hide it in a way is to and to modify it or.
Nigel: Hide in plain sight.
Liz: Yeah, to imply or change it somehow so that the power is actually removed from it. Because if you think about God's Word and the power of God's Word and the power of God's Word being inherent within the word, not just the written word, but it's inherent within the word. And, you know, if you've listened to all of the podcasts about this, the hundred and 53 version, 17 times seven and so on, then you'll see that, you know, there's it's not just a pattern, it's a it's deeper than just a pattern.
Nigel: It's a thing that I.
Liz: Think I can hardly explain.
Nigel: Very is very difficult because I.
Liz: Can't hardly explain what it means to me as a believer to to see these things in God's Word and say, wow, you know, we were told this, you know, the Bible, yet the importance of the Bible, you've got to read your Bible every day or whatever. But to know that there's power inherent within that word which comes out of its numerical perfection is quite well.
Nigel: What I don't.
Liz: Understand, I.
Nigel: Think for me, I mean, for me it's like, okay, so you've got you've got these these 66 books, you've got people going around going now, Well, they left this one out and they left that one out is not complete. it's, it's, it's, it's not reliable. It's not authentic because man wrote it, There are so many errors and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Nigel: And they don't they, there is no end of people giving it the big one about that. It's not, it's not, it's not authentic. And then you realize, wait, this they're saying that because if it right there, right at the beginning, you know with Adam and Eve has God said and that's exactly what they're doing. You did did you really say that?
Nigel: Are you sure about that? Because in this one it hasn't got it. Not one. It has gone it and I just don't know which is true. And of course everyone's going, well, well, what? You know, George, you know what? This is too much effort. Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give it my thanks. No, no, I'm good. You won't come to church?
Nigel: No, I'm good, thanks.
Liz: Especially people that don't believe that This is when you talk about the Bible. This is nearly always the argument. The. The argument is nearly always. Well, how do you know it's true? Because it's changed that much over the centuries. How do you know what say you know, there is no authentic version. And even preachers and pastors will say that there is no authentic version of the.
Nigel: Bible and therefore, listen to me. Follow me. I'm standing up here at the front. And you could hear I mean, we had that were in church, you know, this female woman pastor holding up a Bible going, you really should read this really good book. It's like, you're kidding me. You didn't just say that. And the husband said, said to me, You shouldn't make the Bible an idol.
Nigel: It's like, did you just say that if anything that you're ever supposed to sit on, build your life on, stand on, never waver from it is the Bible. And a passage says, don't make it an idol. It's like, give me a break and I think that so, so so that that that we like and liked. I think when we came in, we started to realize.
Nigel: But science fiction. yeah, yeah. So we like science fiction. We like time travel and stuff like that. Everybody, you know, H.G. Wells, you know, the time machine, blah, blah, blah. So we love that. And you look at that and go, wouldn't it be great if so? Coming back to the 1611 Moses writing Deuteronomy and Luke writing acts, it's quite a lot of years between a few thousand years between them.
Nigel: And then come 16, it will come the 1519, 1560 with the Geneva Bible. They put chapters and numbers in it and verse numbers and language changed sufficiently to be able to give it this numerical perfection. So if you can imagine all of these thousands of words, 790,000 words, give, give or take seven all coming together into a into a a logical, structured format that is analyzed all by computer program to confirm its numerical perfection over 3000 years.
Nigel: So what happened in Deuteronomy and in and when Moses wrote it, when they're in the desert for 40 years to when Luke is talking about them going to Nicopolis and taking the Gospel into Europe and then the numbers to come valid in terms of the number of 1611 and the height samothrace here in the position in the Bible and the frequency of words and so on, it gets to a point where you, it is undeniable, is unequivocal.
Liz: Yeah.
Nigel: And, you know, I think of people like you, like Stephen Fry, for example, you know, talking about a capricious God and how awful and how bad and nasty and evil he is because he lets he allows bone cancer in children. You go, Yeah, but Stephen, you should have read the Bible first before you started mouthing off. I mean, you are living a lifestyle that God abhors and you know it, but you've never looked at the Bible in this particular way.
Nigel: And admittedly not many people have because, I mean, I think even looking at Brown Peterson's stuff, there's only a million or so people max around the world have listened to it, and there's 1.5 billion Christians. So it's a bit of a way to go, but it's coming out now. This is this is the really interesting thing that, you know, we're looking at last year when he when he felt when he realized this and he realized it using somebody else's computer program.
Liz: Yeah.
Nigel: And so so I just think that kind of looking at what we've got, you know, what we've got access to, it still is. It's not a magic pill, but I think it is a when you have something as significant as the Bible being validated through a computer program and numerical numerically, and nobody can undo that, no one can say, yes, but.
Liz: You see, the thing is as well, not just the chapter and verse, because we've got a paragraph Bible each which still has the chapters in verses in it, and there's just the verses written in such tiny writing, you know, I mean, you can't really you don't really notice them as you're reading it, but they're still there. But it's not just the chapters and verses, it's also the order in which the Bible has been.
Liz: It is, well, this is compiled and.
Nigel: Because I heard it was like, the Catholic Church chose to do.
Liz: It. Yeah, exactly. And the thing is that.
Nigel: I don't believe.
Liz: That the church being involved in this and thinking that it's they put it together and.
Nigel: No.
Liz: No, unless they would unless God had his hand on them and the Holy Spirit was going to say, well, I don't care what you do.
Nigel: But, but they did their own version anyway with the Vulgate, didn't they.
Liz: yeah. Which was a I mean the fact it's called Vulgate I think vulgar.
Nigel: Yeah. And I say so that the whole so the thing about what we've been told was that yes, it was handed down in the church, chose not to put this in and chose not to put that in and start a debate.
Liz: About putting the James in and all this and that. And you go well with the left hand account, the proper non complete.
Nigel: Thing is it's like anything else, you know, you got, you got like you mentioned Enoch and there there are various other old books which which, which give a kind of pointers and arrows to say we are witnessing against that, you know, towards the Bible and saying that the Bible is valid because of this other stuff. But I think there was like I think there's like three or, or, or just a handful of them of, of, of documents, original documents that mentioned Caesar.
Liz: There's only about six or seven, isn't it. Yep. So this thing.
Nigel: That is five or 6000 that have got Jesus and Jesus and so.
Liz: Even things that are not biblical document said but just historical documents.
Nigel: Josephus and so on, and Tacitus. And so you've got, we've got this, this, this document, this which is it. Reading it now, it makes it, it feels different, it reads differently. It doesn't read like, it's difficult language. You can't do that. You can't read that. You can't get something simple. And it's like, no, no. I mean, what if what if that language is actually the language of of heaven?
Liz: Yeah, you said that to me. I mean, what I find is that when you especially the New Testament, it's more difficult in the Old Testament because they're more narratives. They're not, and then written in a different way. But if you some of the New Testament stuff, if you read out loud, it's it's really uplifting when you read things out.
Liz: And in some ways it's easier to read out loud than it is to read to yourself. Yeah, I find that sometimes with.
Nigel: It, I mean, I just I do I do wonder, you know, you look at preachers and pastors and the like, and, you know, they want to they seem more interested in getting numbers in and seeing how many people they got in their church. It's like instead of saying, how much do you own, they say, how many people have you got in your congregation?
Liz: Then they can do a quick outreach and.
Nigel: Do a bit of an up knowing the average money that they chuck in the plate. But if you're looking at I think if you're looking at true evangelism or genuine event, not true, but genuine evangelism, we nowadays, I think people have been properly slapped around with religion and and stuff and nonsense and so on. And it becomes really different.
Nigel: It's like it's like people that preach on street corners that the general public have been kind of had it beaten into them to ignore them, don't listen. And so people go out in the street and do, you know, do street evangelism, and nobody wants to know. No one's to listen to, you know, and it's a it's a real I think I think is a real struggle.
Nigel: However, if you're looking at the way of of communicating the Bible to just younger people, even not younger people, irrespective of their age.
Liz: Do you mean in the faith?
Nigel: In the faith, whether they're interested, mildly interested in something. But rather than going for the jugular and going, you know, God so loved the world, as do you know, 316, God so loved the world and blah, blah, blah to explain to people about the numerical perfection of the Bible, which proves its authenticity and the inability to check it out.
Liz: Yeah, I think if what you just said that before about St Pete, people that bridge on the streets and it just made me think so we culturally, I think have we become very skeptical and cynical. Yeah. About church and I think for good reason in many cases I think where we've become desensitized to because we've got bombarded with so much information externally.
Liz: But if you think about it like John Wesley, for example, John Wesley went from town to town to town preaching the word. And whenever he turned up, they wouldn't allow him in churches.
Nigel: No, because.
Liz: He was so divisive and he would go out and preach in a field and they'd have like everybody from the village would go, So there's up like a thousand people, or 600 people will be in this field. Yeah. And so because then there was an appetite, because people believed then people believed that there was a God. And whilst there was, which we will probably will discuss at some point, like Heliocentrism had invaded the society, but it hadn't reached a lot of the ordinary people because they didn't have access to that kind of information that, you know, they probably only owned one book and that book was the Bible, and they would write out of the
Liz: Bible. And so I think because we've become cynical, that kind of teaching from the Bible and we've lost that. And so the thing.
Nigel: Is then excuse me, the word atheist.
Liz: Didn't exactly swear I was going, yeah, the word atheists didn't exist. So it's just one. So people believed in believed in God. They believed there was a cult. There was no doubt in people's minds that there was a God and it was what they were being taught in the churches was not what John Wesley was teaching. And so they were really kind of really keen to hear what he had to say.
Nigel: The thing is, from you know, 16, 11, then you've got John Wesley was 17, 1700.
Liz: Yeah.
Nigel: But from the 1700s onwards, that's when all the different Bible versions start coming out. So you've all these different Bible versions. So you've got this, this campaign, this campaign which is flat, you know, create loads of different Bible versions, say that the Earth isn't flat anymore, that we're actually we are. We're on a ball and everything else equal Isaac Newton's 1666 with gravity and so on.
Nigel: So you've got all the Freemasons with him.
Liz: Well, this kind of had infiltrated, didn't it? It didn't. And it didn't happen straight. I mean, if you think about it, it didn't happen straight away because it wasn't until around about the Industrial Revolution and when education became mainstream because because but because people weren't educated in the same way that they're educated today. Or you can call it indoctrination.
Liz: Take your pick. Yeah, because they weren't educated in the same way when they started when they created the schools and people were, you know, children were being educated, then they could start infiltrating these, these teach ins about heliocentrism. And so and so so, you know, and then out of that you get more Bible versions and then you start questioning God's word because it's not consistent.
Liz: And this one says that. And that was and I think over the last especially over the last kind of 60 years since the sixties, really with there's been an absolute onslaught attack on the Bible.
Nigel: The thing is, you've got to look at the, you know, what was happening in in the sixties. You know, you had you had the you've got the Navy, you've got a variety of different other Bibles that came out. You got Eastern mysticism, drugs, the pill, the Beatles, you know, flower power, sex, you know, you name it and everything.
Nigel: You know, gradually things which even even was it was Anton LaVey, was Anton LaVey or is it that.
Liz: Satanist Church of Satan. Yes.
Nigel: Yeah. So who was on on Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club?
Liz: no, no, it wasn't until anyway, it was an A-list.
Nigel: Crowd, as Granny was saying.
Liz: You know, from different and yeah.
Nigel: So, so I think that you know, that the battle, the battle rages, you know, the battles on and and I think that the the problem, the fundamental problem is that the what we see what I'm what I see, we've been seeing this recently. You know, you've got certain pastors that will go down one path which might be might seem to be like flat Earth, for example, pastors that are up for flat Earth and absolutely believe it.
Nigel: But there's other stuff that lots of people believe in and they don't believe in it, and so they insult them. So the pastors insult them. If you don't believe me, I'm going to insult you. If you don't believe me, I'll I'll unfriend you as soon as I look at you. If you don't believe me, don't you dare come to my church.
Nigel: And if you know, if you don't believe it, you don't believe me. You're just one of those pathetic YouTube Christians who is like, tsk, tsk, tsk. Because all these pastors put their sermons out on YouTube. Yeah. So it's okay if you if you're going to watch a YouTube and and and submit to me. You're a good guy. Yeah.
Nigel: If you watch my YouTube or any of the YouTube stuff, you don't submit to me. You're a heathen. You're a waste of space.
Liz: What I'm saying about using you discernment because you can, you know, there are certain things that we've come across and it's like, yeah, that that sounds plausible. No, not fail in that one. And some of these are not necessarily biblical things, but tie in to the biblical.
Nigel: Yeah, yeah.
Liz: And tie into has been Christian really in a male. Can you talk about that and and other podcasts. But I think what our experience of church has been in terms of teaching is not this. No, it is not teaching.
Nigel: It's all seen by so I mean we met we we the couple the three people we met type first thing. Yeah so some folks people some Christians, local Christians Cameron says and they've they have they kind of do house churches so and so you know when you've probably experienced it yourself. So you meet a new Christian, you kind of do a bit of a a testimony.
Nigel: This is how we became believers ourselves. And so we're talking about our journey and what we've what's happened to us and what happened in church and all this kind of and then it's their turn to talk. Blown me down, almost identify.
Liz: Cool. Yeah. Very similar situation.
Nigel: Almost identical even with our kids. The same same experiences with our kids. Some are believers, some are not. Some are gay, some are not. You know, and some some talk, some don't. You know, as in blanking the parents blankie, all these things, all these very similar behavioral traits of different people. But you can see the enemy's hand in it looking to destroy and ruin relationships and so and succeed temporarily.
Nigel: We say temporarily succeeding because you just you don't know what the Lord's got planned. But the the experience is that the believer the Christians have a so similar and they are perpetuated by the same people. So you've got the same preacher process out there giving it to people because that's what they know. Yeah, great. They do know the Bible.
Nigel: Yes, they are. Some of them are very good teachers and very good preachers. You know that that, you know, we we've watched we haven't finished it because long there's like 1890 plus sermons about Samuel, just about one Samuel one and say Samuel And, you know, to listen to some of these guys and some of that, some women, but predominantly men that are doing this and introduce in a historical context to what this is about.
Nigel: And that's what starts to bring the whole Bible alive. So not taking it away from them for that. But we're already we bought and paid up. You know, we're repentant, repented, baptized, borned again, believers. Yeah, we're full. We're paid up, you know, as far as that's concerned. So we're really interested in finding out that side of things. But for people that have never come across the Bible and just look at Christians or believers as being happy clappy individuals and haven't got a clue about the real world, blah, blah, blah, and you go, Well, funnily enough, this is actually the real world.
Nigel: The world is out there with Hollywood or Hollywood and celebrity and all the other people out there and the likes of Stephen Fry, you know, he's going to believe some some bloke was waving the Bible around or Stephen Fry goes on, you know, on Graham Norton or any other gay program, you know, whether it's Graham Norton or Have I got news for you or his own TV shows and so on and so on, or talking to a Peterson is his name Jordan Jones.
Nigel: Jordan Peterson. So you've got all these celebrities that have got a big presence and can speak articulately and eloquently and lambaste God and the Bible, even though they haven't researched it. But it sounds convincing. Well, they're actors, for goodness sake. Of course, it sound convincing. They're supposed to sound convincing. Yeah. And and, of course, here they are. This, you know, the new royal families, which is celebrity.
Nigel: And so people people believe celebrities because look at what they've got. Look at what they're doing. And, you know, if you look at Santa muerte, which is in Mexico and you've got these, you know, like gangs and so on, saying, well, yeah, we you know, the local Catholic priest wanted us to do X and Y and Z and nothing happened.
Nigel: You know, life was tough and it was a nightmare. But when we started praying to Santa muerta, which is, you, that the saint, that saint of the dead are, we start getting waiting and we start getting money. We got psychic Nissan. Yeah, it's like, no kidding. You've just turned your back on God. Yes. Satan could can make things happen.
Nigel: Yeah. Say, why can't you go to the world and people don't realize this? I think this is all a bit, a bit of a laugh and as you know, even with Lady Gaga going, I wish I didn't sell my soul to the devil. And so the amount of people that have said that, that they regret selling their soul to the devil, to the big man.
Nigel: Yeah. Like all the sixties, sixties star.
Liz: Bob Dylan.
Nigel: Bob Dylan, they go, you know, you you just go, let's go.
Liz: That didn't just flip, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nigel: And so and so people, people see this as either being a bit silly and they looking at, you know, one eye covered and you know, doing the triangular shape and all this kind of stuff and think you're average person looking inside who's not a believer. It's all one of must. It must be cool, must be just. It's just how it is.
Nigel: They all kind of do that kind of stuff.
Liz: The thing is, I don't think people realize I mean, you know, they don't realize that these people, these celebrities or whatever, that communicating with each other through these I mean, maybe we should do on about like symbolism and and all of that.
Nigel: But Well, this is the other thing, because I what I thought, you know, doing a podcast. So we've got if you if you still with us, you know, we're going to finish up in a minute but if you still with us so we've got a podcast studio as in it's all it's got all this kind of soft furnishing is specific for doing a podcast.
Nigel: We figured it out. But if, if we can do symbolism and something like that.
Liz: We need to do, it.
Nigel: Needs to be done in a and video format.
Liz: But I think, you know, the thing is they're communicating with each other and it's a very powerful message that they all communicate into the world. It's and, and the thing is, how do we as believers counter those very powerful messages? And I think this is one of the ways because I think so if people knew the numerical perfection in the Bible, if if Christians knew the numerical perfection in the game, would they be reading any of the Bible?
Nigel: No.
Liz: Probably not. But the thing is, to be honest, in church and and it's a huge topic because if you you know, you you really must watch the videos because, you know, we're talking about the videos, but Brandon's delivery of it is is really good. And you know, he you know, he shows you how he's done these calculations and so on.
Liz: But if these things were taught in church and said, look, you know, I can show you.
Nigel: I think if you if you if you look at it much, you've got two screens in front of you. One screen has got all the Illuminati Hollywood people doing all this and the other given it the big one. And then you've got the other screen, which is got somebody countering everything with the numerical perfection, the Bible, how it stacks up, how it fits together, where it is, how it is, why it proves it's God's word.
Nigel: And, and God was the editor and God made sure that everything came together at a given time, inspired it.
Liz: It just right.
Nigel: It is right. It didn't just write it, inspired it, edited it, edited it, and made sure people put numbers on it in certain places and times to it to ensure its numerical perfection over the course of thousands of years. Yeah, I mean, you can't get any more powerful than that than somebody dressed up with it with a with a, a mason's apron on and and they try to translate pulled up you know me mean.
Liz: Make this up.
Nigel: No you can't. And I think that's that's why you know they now saying that you're a someone's a believer. Okay okay. A my kind of first response is, have you seen this? Do you know about this? You really need to look at and understand this, this this numerical these calculations because it is so complex. The only way to find this out is using a computer program.
Nigel: Yeah, it's not just going, look, this says it. It says Lord there, it says Lord there. But when it says Lord, I can't tell you. And it says Jesus 625 times I can remember that the top of my head.
Liz: Yeah, well it was the difference wasn't it, between and it was 150, it was seven, seven, seven and, and then if you took 253.
Nigel: And then how many times Lord is actually mentioned, I.
Liz: Don't know. I can't remember.
Nigel: But it's just, just, but you know, there are so many instances, you know, and like I said, you've got 790,000 words. That's a lot of words. And and so you can only use a computer to to look at the the that the patterns. And once you see the patterns and more patterns and more patterns and more patterns, it's like, okay, you got me, I'm done, I'm done.
Nigel: You don't have to prove it to me anymore.
Liz: No.
Nigel: And I think and for me, it it it's the most reassuring thing ever. And probably one of the most terrifying things as well. I say terrifying, but it's if you have no regard for humankind, then it wouldn't be terrifying. But it is terrifying for mankind. Absolutely terrifying.
Liz: Well, it's that fear of the Lord, isn't it? But knowing that, you know, just knowing that God exists and he he has given us his word. He's given us his word, and he's given us his book, which is his.
Nigel: And this. And when I try and we've all seen people, people I just love Jesus. I love Jesus. And you hear some of these songs that are out there and God, I love it. Close Jesus is closer than the Lover. And it's like, you got to be kidding me with that kind of speak, that kind of talk.
Nigel: You got to be out of your off your rocker because people have reduced Jesus and got to to some genie in a bottle and they think that it what if it doesn't? If it is Kanya, can I sit the other I'm not happy with Jesus. He's prayers ain't working. Really? Really. I still will hush my mouth. So let's let's all go and have a word with Jesus, shall we say?
Nigel: Listen, Kenya is not happy with you, for goodness sake.
Liz: We there's a couple of things I want to point out here, and I'll share both of that. I've just finished reading a book just a week or so ago, and you said that about Jesus and songs and this is from the seventies and the guy who has apparently written this book said what put him off was the way Jesus had been portrayed as somebody effeminate.
Liz: And that put him off because he didn't he didn't want to see Jesus has been effeminate because that wasn't what he believed in.
Nigel: The seventies.
Liz: Yeah, well, the sixties in the seventies, that Jesus was portrayed as this effeminate man with his long flowing blond hair and blue eyes, you know, kind of the the bullshit. Jesus. Yeah. You know, Scandinavian Jesus.
Nigel: That'll be the poor Nicholas Jesus or the who's the other guy that the guy with the blue eyes.
Liz: Robert Powell.
Nigel: Robert Powell. Jesus. Yeah. And Godspell and all that kind of stuff.
Liz: So. And that is the thing that I want to share with you just said then about Kenya saying this present work in G. So we knew a lady who said to us, you know, I don't agree with everything that God says in the Bible. I disagree with some of it. It's like.
Nigel: I remember. I remember. Yeah, I remember.
Liz: Yeah. It was like, really? You disagree? And then she then then she made a comment which we've used often since the European Union is not required. We don't agree with it. But your opinion when gold says your opinion is not required there?
Nigel: Well, I think I think on that happy note, I think we'll call it day to day. Yes. And I hope you enjoyed this. We did. We you know, we were completely blown away with this these these revelations these past five shows. You could see, you know, have a look at the website, you see the some of the diagrams and so on.
Nigel: And you can download them. You can download all of them for free and you can view them on figma. Or if you've got a powerful enough machine that the the PNG files are a massive but it's it's it's if you ever wanted something to change how you felt about your face, these this is it these are the videos.
Nigel: These are the videos. The links are on one. The website takes you to Truth in Christ, which is Brendan Petersen's YouTube channel and and just go and watch them just kind of soak in. And I mean, we've watched five of them, ten or 15 times, if that makes sense. So, so we've seen yeah, we've, we've watched 4 to 5 of them.
Nigel: We've watched twice, all of them twice. And some of them three times.
Liz: The thing is, I would say to anybody out there, you know, never stop learning, never stop looking, because there's always more to learn about the word and about God. And you'll find it. I mean, you'll find it will all be in the Bible just for the it's like this huge treasure trove of the things that are in the Bible.
Liz: But these are think this is something for us that has been so huge and so important. We just have to share it because it's just.
Nigel: I think one of the one of the things that about it was that, you know, you've got the Holy Spirit saying, don't go up there and don't go down there. Go straight ahead. Yeah. And do as you're told. Ben and Paul wanted to go to Bosnia and and to Asia. And so in that particular area and the Holy Spirit said no.
Nigel: So the things that we want to do aren't necessarily the right things that we want to do. Yeah. And if he closes the door, he closes the door. If things don't happen. And I know this personal, absolute personal experience and it's not I'm not going to go through it now, but I'm going through it right at the moment.
Nigel: But if it's going to work, it will work. If it's not going to work is not going to work. And if he's got something, something else planned, it's got something else planned. But it's always about learning and pushing forward and having that trust because there's enough bad stuff going on around him to know that you can absolutely trust God.
Liz: Yep.
Nigel: And so on that note that definitely on that note, say good bye and we'll see you next week. And we're and the next next next week's podcast is going to be about timelines. Where are we? What what day are we at? Where do we think we're at and.
Liz: Why is it significant?
Nigel: Yeah, and why is it significant? And it'll upset lots of people as well, which is she's fine, I think probably that. So that's it. That's it from me.
Liz: And it's God bless me.
Nigel: Bye for now bye.