Proof of God III: Why The Bible is Specific About 153 Fishes - Ep 08 Transcript
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| Nigel- | Well, welcome, welcome, welcome to the Living in Faith podcast. I'm Nigel Mayne. |
| Liz - | And I'm listening. |
| Nigel - | And we're discussing a husband and wife team that do this faith podcast this week. We have I would I know we've been on a bit of a theme here, but I think this is going to leave you absolutely stunned and I want it to to impact you very, very positively because there's some really negative stuff in I say really negative there's some negative stuff in here about the church, but it's really important to grasp what has been going on. |
| Nigel - | And that's really it. I mean, so I really do look forward to sharing this better time with you and I hope that you'll you'll you'll go away with something more than you started with. That's. That's it. Excuse me. That's the main thing, because that's how we feel about these this kind of this short season is only a few podcasts that we're doing about this subject and then going to move on to other stuff. |
| Nigel - | So before we get going, this, I think you should to pray for us. So we actually communicate this clearly. Now we've got the mics on. |
| Liz - | Okay, so Lord, we just give you thanks that you are with us, that you are in our midst and we pray, Lord, that as we have been blessed with this and revelation from your word, that we will be able to share it with others, that they equally will be as blessed as we have been and that you have given us the the opportunity to share this truth, your infallible truth, with our audience. |
| Liz - | So we just pray, blessing what we're doing today and pray a blessing on all those that are listening. Amen. |
| Nigel - | Amen. Amen. So I think before we when it comes to podcasts, one of the things that lots of people realize or or you know, you're listening to a podcast, you've listened to them before, there's this kind of the beginning, middle and end, and it kind of flows. And I'll we're just going to cut to our sponsors and play a few adverts and you know, they've got the music in the background, all that kind of stuff. |
| Nigel - | I kind of well-oiled show. This, isn't it? |
| Liz - | It has the potential to be. |
| Nigel - | It has a lot of potential. But, but the reason I say that is that I'm just getting organized here because it's quite a woman here today, and I'm just making sure they're not going to knock any drinks off or anything like that. But but basically that that the point of these we've got this one today, which is which is about 153 fish. |
| Nigel - | And if you if you know your Bible, you will have heard the stories of 153 fish and next week is about six six which lots of people have heard and know about the mark of the beast. But the but the point of this is that we're kind of communicating our enthusiasm of having having realized this. And there's a difference between looking at delivering a well-oiled show that that I don't know the people. |
| Nigel - | Hopefully we get lots of people listening to it and we get loads of listeners and lots of subscribers that that's not the point of is to put the point of this is that we we communicate the message and you'll get it or you won't get it. And one of the one of the critical I mean really, really, really critical things about doing something like this when it comes to faith is God is the best marketer in the universe, in the in ever, ever, ever, ever. |
| Nigel - | He appears to thousands of people when they're asleep and convicts them. How many pulled the world into being? He's not sure of a few ideas and ways of doing marketing. So if he wanted everybody to know about what we're talking about, you'll tell him. But the point of this is that and if you're if you've spent any time in church or around church people, they talk about doing things and works and this kind of stuff. |
| Nigel - | And the Catholics think it's about doing, you know, jumping up and down, doing this and doing that. And it's not about that. It's about doing what we are driven to do because we believe God, there's a difference. Yeah, faith, people do that. That's fine. That's that's great. But the works are of a people that absolutely believe what God has said and done. |
| Nigel - | And therefore we're following him. We but we want to live the way that he says to live because we believe him that and we and the way that we're able to demonstrate that we believe him is through how we live and do things hence works. So that's that's why we're doing this. And so what if you listen to this, this there's an intro I think there's an interesting reason why you're listening to it, how you came across it. |
| Nigel - | What what, what does matter what it is? You're here. That's great. And these things that we've been talking about, about that new numeracy, the numerical mathematical mechanisms within the Bible, you know, not many people are aware of this and that's got to be for a reason. I absolutely believe this, that that whether you're expect we are expected to do what we're doing right now, which is communicate it or whether people are supposed to take this forward or whether it's for them personally to go see it is God's word, and then it stops people in their tracks because everyone wants proof. |
| Liz - | And we just want to be obedient. I mean, we we've always been quite avid watchers of the faith related material since we became and since we became believers. And it's informed a lot of our thinking. I mean, some of it we've dispensed with over the time. But as we have sort of progressed on our journey, I think we could say that we've become more discerning about what we read, watch and listen to. |
| Liz - | Yeah, and but we this particular video, this was the video that we saw that and, and for me personally, you know, I think that we've been given nodule and I've been given this opportunity to share this with you. You know, we've got the equipment in order to be able to do that. And so we feel that, you know, we're being obedient to actually share this. |
| Liz - | Yeah. You know, and I think that's really important because some people are called to do different things. And that's the whole point of you know, doing works. And but we feel that we're called to do this because we can there's a lot of people that can't that don't have the means available. But I think because we do them, we have a responsibility to share what we've learned and present to you, not in the way of a sermon. |
| Liz - | We're not trying to tell you what to think. We're just saying this is what has been shown to us and we feel that this is that both the believers would benefit from what we have learned, what we've watched. And that's really what I would do. |
| Nigel - | I think that's one of the one of the things who is our audience and being in a in a kind of a new business development marketing kind of role in my other life, my other say my other life, you know what, 9 to 5 during the week, it's very it's very critical. It's essential that we understand who our target market is and who are we who are we communicating with. |
| Nigel - | And some people could be believers and some people could be on the lookout, you know, to see what this is all about, see if someone's got something valuable to say. And and I don't it's with some podcast, it's like what you kick off yet you tell them, you give them a little bit just at the beginning and then you keep them enticed and then you go, I'm going to come on to it in a minute. |
| Nigel - | And like if you. |
| Liz - | 20 minutes. |
| Nigel - | 20 minutes in and you're still waiting for this thing that you go watch, wait until the end and you'll see. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. This isn't a YouTube video. This is this is I actually think this is infinitely more important. And we don't have any advertising and we don't do that. But one because one of the things is, is that when it comes to faith, people want proof. |
| Nigel - | They absolutely want proof. And that's one of the what for many people is the intangible way You've got to take it on faith. Well, not so fast. Not so fast on that one, because I mean, a bit of a bit about how I'm thinking along the lines. I'm thinking about this. I believe that God has given us the Bible and people will go, here we go. |
| Nigel - | Yeah, well, of course. Yes, you have. Wait a second. I don't believe it was given to us in this format 2000 years ago. I don't even believe the date, but I believe that the King James Bible was given to us. Complete at a certain time somehow, and to the way that it has been constructed with the numbers of books and so on. |
| Nigel - | Because you listen to loads of different people, they go, well, it could have been the Apocrypha, you could have had this, you could have Maccabees, you could have had all these different other books in the book. But there, but the Catholic Church decided on what would or wouldn't go into it. Is that right? Not absolute load of rubbish. |
| Nigel - | So you've got this King James Bible, which is mathematically perfect from start to finish. It's incalculably perfect. You couldn't you couldn't have constructed this with I it is an impossibility and there are no current day mechanisms to prove it to absolutely 100% prove it. And that's what makes this really special. So I don't believe that a group of guys in 15, whatever got together and said, what we're going to do boys, 45 of them, I think it was I started off as 52 and then seven dropped out or died of something they left with 45, like a wicked wicked. |
| Nigel - | If we're going to have a real proper stab at knocking this Bible together. And they toddled off and spoke to their mates in Greece and and wherever and got all the jigsaw piece, bits of papyrus together and said, Here we go, this is what we're going to make of it. And here's your Bible. Absolute codswallop. No way. There's no way that that happened, that that actually happened. |
| Nigel - | I don't I don't believe it. Other people might have a go, you're wrong because I don't care. Because the mathematical perfection of it, you know, people talk about a camel. It was a horse designed by committee. You got 45 people deciding on what should go where. It's just not going to happen. And so, you know, we we want to we we have to look at this in a certain way. |
| Nigel - | And I'm looking at this that says the way that I work. I wrote a book. It was a 265 pages in it and 60 something thousand words. And I've written the thousands and thousands of of words and hundreds and hundreds of articles. And I have to have a have it I have to look at this and go, right, well, how am I going to construct my story, my document, when it's a factual I write, I don't write fiction, I write factual document and documentation and articles for business. |
| Nigel - | And on the standard website. So I have to write things in a in a logical fashion that have got a beginning, a middle, and an end. If I'm trying to communicate a message, there has to be a conclusion call to action. And bit like I was saying at the beginning of this, you know, this is not your typical podcast. |
| Nigel - | And so when I look at it and when we've you know, we've been to school, we've been to university, some of us I haven't. But you know, people but university don't download it. And it's like there's a format to writing stuff, to compiling stuff, and we look at it in a linear format. So now we've got this Bible which 2000 plus pages, whichever one, you know, whichever one you look at, but 2000 pages and every single page and word or not page, but every single word with the relevant verses in it, because again, all of the verses were like they. |
| Liz - | Applied to. |
| Nigel - | All the chapters and now don't listen to the chapters of verses that was that was put in by the church later. And it absolutely was not not was not could not the the church is not that bright. Yeah, we're talking the Catholic Church, the killer of of of believers, the you know, the Jesuits and and all of that. |
| Nigel - | The 60 million that they killed. We're not talking about a highly beyond intelligent group of people that could construct something so complex and so perfect. So. So that's where we're at. That's our starting point. So we're we're talking about, as we said, 153 fish. And so the point of this is that it's not a beginning, middle and an end with a call to action. |
| Nigel - | There are a small series of videos which we are absolutely recommending. You watch them. The links are in the description. It's up to you if you watch them or not, and it's on you if you watch them at all. But you can't you can't not listen to this. As I, I don't believe X, Y, and Z. I think x, Y, and Z when I've said, go listen to it, come watch it, it's on you. |
| Nigel - | Because the proof and evidence that you need is on is within those those videos. And it's not they're not sermons. They're not sermons. Because the the critical point of this is that we want to know that the Bible is true. We want to know that God's that God exists, that it's all true. It's all. And the Bible proves it. |
| Nigel - | And the point, the foundational point is if you are able to become aware that it is absolutely true, if you can say that this was absolutely written by God and that says that's your foundation, now go off and adhere to the teachings of it because you know it's from God instead of what's happened, which is, well, you can buy you can get whichever Bobby you like is we prefer you to behave this way or behave that way, but it's up to you now. |
| Nigel - | It's like you can do what you like, you know, nothing ever all holds barred. You know, it's not. You can do anything. Nothing matters. You're never going to get penalized for anything. Nothing. they talk about this. I talk about is this all? Not as far as anybody is concerned. It's all nonsense because there's so many Bibles, so many people have written them this so many different versions. |
| Nigel - | Old House, you know, the King James is just one version. And I don't want to read that because he's a bit too old. You know, the what if is the actual genuine way that God speaks. |
| Liz - | The language of heaven, the exact. |
| Nigel - | Language of every which we talk about the word being corrupted, the actual word, the way that they speak in heaven. What if if we, you know, we've made this image, what if and that's why this is so important, you know, and I'm going to come onto some stuff in a second about, you know, we're talking about hundred and 53 fish. |
| Nigel - | So let's get onto the subject of this. Do you so you kind of we can we can kind of set the scene. So in the end, John, towards the end of John and. |
| Liz - | John 21. |
| Nigel - | John 2111 And what happens is that Peter, the boys, the boys, the boys are gone. |
| Liz - | Fishing Teacher. Thomas. |
| Nigel - | Nathaniel. |
| Liz - | James. |
| Nigel - | James, John. |
| Liz - | John two Is it just the two of us? |
| Nigel - | So they've gone, they've gone fishing. We go, okay, we go fishing. So they come back in the morning and have them caught anything. And this to them it was there was some guy on on the cut on at the lake shore and he said codfish. And they went, no, no. He said, well, put your nets down on the other side, on the right hand side and you'll be good to go. |
| Nigel - | And he went, Look, we've been out all night. We know our trade. But if you're saying, Yeah, okay, we'll do that for you, not knowing who it was. And they call 153 fish and then they went, I can't remember who was, but I think that's. |
| Liz - | I think it was John. |
| Nigel - | John says That's Jesus. So Peter gone. my goodness me. Jumps off the boat 100 yards to it, to the shore and basically swims ashore and then helps them with the fish is 153 fish. So this, this kind of breaks down into, into some different different segments. So we're talking about hundred and 50 fish now. Fish, we're talking the fish bit. |
| Nigel - | We're talking about what's the point of this? It's fishing for men, not fish men. That's what this is about. It's a central point of the Bible. The whole Bible message is about God drawing people to himself. And the only way you can do that is is through people, through the likes of of Peter and Paul and so on and so on. |
| Nigel - | So at the beginning, so breaking this down, there's three elements to this. There's Mark 117 and Luke five five. We look so right at the beginning they're both referring to the same event about Jesus saying to them, Come with me and I'll make you fishers of men. And the point of that, and just, just to make sure we don't, it's about if you're going to follow you, repent, you get baptized, you get filled with the Holy Spirit, you're good to go baptized in water. |
| Nigel - | Now, the first two that the first event was I want to make you fishers of Men. Then there was a miracle. Catch a fish which is in Luke five five. So this is the second miraculous catch the fish. Now the point of this of this element here to do with catching a fish in the mirror. How does it happen? |
| Nigel - | Why is it happened? And it and within that that the video that we saw there was this two point you mentioned about John 446 whereas no woman is Sanzio, he's going to die. No woman goes to Jesus says, Will you come and come with me? And Hayley? It goes, No. Well, you just want you just want proof all the time. |
| Nigel - | Go home. You're okay. He's been healed. So the no woman goes home. He gets greeted by his servants who said everything's good is healed. So rather than just going to Asante, he says, What time? What time is healed? And it was the seventh hour. I'm not talking about number seven, which is talking is asking for proof. And he knew it was the seventh. |
| Nigel - | Now that he spoke to Jesus and then all his household became believers. So we look at the proof, okay, so we're still on the subject of fish and what this hundred and 53 means. And before we go into that, that kind of the quick that's saw you say the critical bit that the new numerical elements to it. I'm I'm going to run through some of the articles I found online. |
| Nigel - | I know that you're not so much Liz but but. |
| Liz - | I mean, I'll just say that from my point of view, we saw this video and I it and it just kept popping up and whatever on YouTube. But the hundred and 53 fish, it always interested me because it felt like such a random number. |
| Nigel - | Yeah. |
| Liz - | But the more that you learn about God's Word and you more the more that you learn about garden and and are in relationship with him is the more you realize that nothing in the world is random, that nothing there is no and there's no extra words that are not needed. There's no lack of words that, you know, we're not getting enough meaning from it. |
| Liz - | All the numerical references to me kind of think, Well, yeah, there's got to be some kind of meaning in this hundred and 53 fish. And we had to teach. That was pretty insulting to the and to the apostles and because they didn't recognize him on the shore and of course, Jesus disguised himself on the road to a mess, you know, they didn't know who he was when they were that he was on the road to a mass. |
| Liz - | And so, you know, this hundred and 53 fish thing had always intrigued me. I'd never looked into it, but I kind of thought, I kind of want to know about that. |
| Nigel - | And of course, I mean, when we heard that that particular sermon with. Yes, this pastor calling the apostles morons. |
| Liz - | Yeah. |
| Nigel - | Because they didn't recognize him think I mean, it was a it was more like a child, like sermon. And like you said, you know, pretty much disgusted us when we when we heard this. But the trouble is that the the way that the church behaves and the artistic license they're given is is I think I would say is the cause of a lot of pop, a lot of problems within the church or people falling away from the church. |
| Liz - | And I also think but, you know, we're talking about the King James Bible, is that the there's a lot of this kind of speculation. But if you don't see this, you know, if you don't understand this is God's word, that this is the truth and this is the infallible word of God, then if you're not approaching it from that point of view, you are going to think that, you know, the hundred and 53 fish is a random number. |
| Liz - | It was just to say there were loads of fish. |
| Nigel - | Well, the other thing about the infallible bit is, is what I mean, I remember when we first when we first started going to church and we were told, you guys get what you like, really, you can get in Ivy and LTE messages might be good with the message really get in the message because you know you new believe is you need something easy to to be able to read and so on and it's like okay really there was no real guidance on it at all. |
| Nigel - | And now we know that there are forgotten the figure now hundred 170 something plus another of of complete translations and another however many that another 50, 70, whatever of incomplete translations. And so now you've been you know, we thought there are only a handful and then you realize there's loads and even the people within church. Well as long as they got a big Bible and a big zip around it, they're good and they go and you look at them, well, I must defer to them. |
| Nigel - | They must know. Absolutely not. And sometimes some people have the King James because they they like the fact that they can say to people, I read something that's the other people find complicated to read. I'm I'm I'm intelligent enough to be able to read this. But the issue is, is that the King James is the only version. And the other versions have been created as a distraction to the only version. |
| Nigel - | And these series of videos prove undeniably, categorically, that the the number, the frequency of words and their specific placement within the Bible have been put there for a specific reason. It's even an insult to call it the King James version. The q v, and it should be the cube because it infers it is just another version that you can choose to read. |
| Nigel - | What better way to describe these corrupt versions than just say, Well, take your pick? And I think that's that's the that's the problem. So you've got this combination of, of alternative versions. And then when you start to look at the frequency of numbers and you look at the the the new king James compared to the King, James has had 68,000 words taken out of it. |
| Nigel - | You think, really? how it will take 68,000 words out just to make it easy to read, shall we? Really? And when you realize that, I mean, we'll come onto it next week and the week after, but there is absolutely no way that a couple of guys in 1500 something messed up got some pieces of got a few bits of pieces together and chose to to to compile this in the format that it's in use. |
| Liz - | And I think this kind of kind of conversation that we're having about the numerical perfection goes pretty much all the way to explain in how that is unlikely and improbable. |
| Nigel - | Yeah, So I'm just going to run through some of the because so we took 153 fish and someone says to me or says to you, I heard this 753 fish. I liked it, disliked it, whatever. And the first thing that a discerning believer would do is I'll do a research, I'll go I'll go online and I'll I'll find out What this is all about is hundred and 53 fish just so I can get this on the right track. |
| Nigel - | Let me read some of these to you. And and I'm let me just read them and you will make your own mind up in about 10 minutes. So the first one that I came across was because it was just type 153 fishes in the Bible and you get a long, long, long, long list. So one of them, it's about the Gospels going to the nations, sharing the gospel with nations. |
| Nigel - | That was the first one. Second one. Well, it was Jesus is power over nature because he knew where the fish were and he told the fish to be there and wait to get caught. And it makes reference to turning the water into wine, feeding the 5000 Lazarus being raised and all the variety, you know, a variety of other miracles that are but that have been presented. |
| Nigel - | I'm going to skip that one because I'm going to leave that one until a bit later. The other one, which was the triangular number, 71 plus two plus three plus four plus five or six once you get to plus 17, that's up 253, which is the elect to be saved, 153 was supposed to be all of the known fish that they knew at that time, which were to represent all types of races, says Jerome, a fourth century Catholic priest. |
| Nigel - | This is that this is a tenuous one. So we got 100 would represent married laypeople, faithful in the church, 50 would equate to faithful widows and brothers and sisters that were faithful in the church. And the three represented the faithful people that were celibate. |
| Liz - | I don't know. You represent Stretch on the street. |
| Nigel - | So that said, then you got you've got another one which is using a betrayer, which is the. Now, if you don't know, it's the numbers. It's the numbers that are attributed to Hebrew and Greek. So I could I lost interest in this one, but it was about subtracting the end. When you go and get you've got gillane. And so you subtract the end, which means spring. |
| Nigel - | And then when you've you've got 17 and then the other one's left with hundred and 53. So the conclusion is 153 equals all nations of the world which will be drawn in the new creation. You've got overflow from God, you've got well, actually, Peter was going back to his old is old job as a fisherman, but he wasn't going it, he wasn't doing very well. |
| Nigel - | He's trying to do it in his own strength. And so not catching any fish was. And that explanation the other one was Ezekiel 47 nine which was and even fish will live in the Dead Sea. |
| Liz - | I have no I have no idea how that relates to them. |
| Nigel - | And now the battle. |
| Liz - | In the Sea of Galilee. |
| Nigel - | The best. Not a dead sea. Dead Sea is nothing to Galilee. Dead Sea. So now we've got fishermen exaggerate, which I thought was cloak, which is quite good. And then there's that. There's a website. Normally, normally the website. This website is really quite good. Got questions to org summary. I have to read it out. There is no reason to understand the number of fish caught that morning is anything but 153 literal fish. |
| Nigel - | They have no hidden meaning or symbolic reference. Just said 153 Reasons to believe in Jesus and my one is they're all fishing. I'm disgusted. And and the trouble is, you know, you pick up on a Sunday, go to church, and you have someone do a 753 fish, and they'll come out with all sorts. And, you know, you have to say, well, you know, they they're well-meaning. |
| Nigel - | Yeah, well, I just did more research in 10 minutes, about 53 fish than they did. And they stood up for, well, for a half an hour because they can't stand they can't preach for any longer than half an hour because it upsets everybody. Unsurprising when it's all fiction is just made up. And you know, you to ask it is artistic license this I don't know what you call this so what does it mean? |
| Nigel - | What does 153 fish mean? Right. Well, like I said before, the point of this is it's what's in the Bible numerically, which gives it's perfect foundation, which should lead you to want to read and learn about God and follow him. Because this place is a nightmare on earth. It's it's run by blessed. |
| Liz - | Didn't want to sneeze down the microphone, folks. |
| Nigel - | So anyway, let's let's get into it. Let's get into this now. Right. Laptop livened up touch on day okay it's works good right Just to just to kick off with this one. There are 153 mentions in verses of Peter. There are 153 mentions in verses of Paul. Peter is a fisher of men Jews. Paul excuse me is a fisher of men, Gentiles. |
| Nigel - | How can that be? You then have the fact that both of these, both of the final mentions of Peter and Paul relating to this is in Galatians two seven where it says that Paul will be the the will be there for the for the Jews, for the circumcised and Paul will be there for the Gentiles, the uncircumcised. So when we're looking at this, when we're looking starting to move around this, there are so many calculations involved in this. |
| Nigel - | I'm just trying to get my, my laptop in the right place here. Let we just enlarge that. You know, you can talk whilst I'm just doing this, you know. |
| Liz - | You got set. |
| Nigel - | dear. |
| Liz - | So that particular and scripture in Galatians is in Galatians two seven and it says but contrariwise when they saw that the gospel of the uncle and circumcision was committed to me as in unto Paul, as the gospel of the circumcision wasn't Peter. So and that's the hundred and 53rd mention of Peter in, in the New Testament. |
| Liz - | And, and the thing is about the fishes of men, and it's trying to make it anything other than by just saying it's just a, a miraculous catch. A fish kind of does. |
| Nigel - | I found the other bit. |
| Liz - | Kind of does miss the point. |
| Nigel - | So the fish is of men. So we have at that point in the boat. Okay, we had Simon, Peter Thomas, Nathaniel, James and John and two other. He says to other disciples, it could have mentioned them by name, but if you had mentioned them by name, the numbers wouldn't work. |
| Liz - | Because if you mention James and John by name, because it refers to them as the sons of. |
| Nigel - | Which is mentioned. Yeah. So it mentions the sons 70. So if you look at the that the fishermen identify their principal names, Peter Thomas, Nathaniel James and John, they mentioned 153 times at the structure of what I mean you've got that the relevance of that so those those five that were mentioned in the boat at the time are mentioned in the Bible 153 times. |
| Liz - | As well as Yeah. When you add up their individual. |
| Nigel - | Yeah, Peter's mentioned 97 times. Thomas 11. Nathaniel six, James 19 and John 20. They add up 253 times mentioned in the Bible, but they call 853 fish. How can that be? It It is absolutely impossible to have a story that relates to that, and yet we cannot comprehend this. I cannot comprehend this. The the complexity of being able to do something like this. |
| Nigel - | You've then got a triangular, what they call triangular numbers. So one plus two plus three Purcell adds up to 153. The numbers of the on on the circumference of that, the perimeter of that equates to 48. I meant now where is it? It says is somewhere I might have to come back to it. Maybe it's there. I just need to enlarge that what I'm doing. |
| Nigel - | I've got a here we go. I've got it, found it. The guy that got it did the videos was a Brandon Peterson, and he used a program called Figma. And you can get his diagrams off his website and look at them and and have them for yourself. So we that this so much. Yeah. So Peter Thomas, Nathaniel James and John Amaechi 253 times the first three names mentioned which is Simon, Peter and Thomas there are 153 pure times pure mentions of them have their name in the Gospels 153 times. |
| Nigel - | There's they've got anti mentions, like Simon's father. Simon the father of Judas Iscariot, that's an anti mention. So we're talking about pure mentions here. So those three mentioned Simon Page and Thomas mentioned hundred 53 times. The 48 are the remaining names which is did Nathaniel, James and John. They're mentioned they've got 48 pure mentions which relate to the number of the number on the of the perimeter. |
| Nigel - | It's the triangular number of T 17 and so that to to to kind of bring this all together and look at this as it is, it's like, wait a second, this is this is an impossibility for mankind to be able to do anything like this. You can't you can't do this. You can't forget it's impossible unless, as we said, you know, that there's a higher a higher intelligence. |
| Nigel - | Your thoughts are above our thoughts and so on is absolutely critical. A critically, blatantly. And the only way that Brandon Peterson could do this was by using a is called pure Bible search is an online program you can use online and you can download it to your Mac PC and it gives you the specific numbers of everything that is counted up and is like saying do it yourself, do it yourself, do it yourself. |
| Nigel - | You've got to see this. You don't just listen to me. Do it yourself. Do so. And this becomes it. It's like, Wait, wait a second. I mean, everything keeps being divisible by five. By seven, I mean, I. I mean, last week we talked about them. Seven, seven, seven plus seven, seven, seven is how many times Jesus plus Christ appears in the Gospels. |
| Nigel - | So, you know, you've got all of this this information, which is is is literally beyond, let's say, beyond comprehension. |
| Liz - | I mean, your first thought would be, but particularly with 153 fish, your first thought would absolutely be that's just a random number, because I think a lot of people approach the Bible in the sense that, you know, there's some good stories in it, there's some good, you know, good tales in there, you know, But if you approach it from the mindset of everything in this is true for a start, but nothing in it is random enough. |
| Nigel - | Absolutely nothing's wrong. I just want go back to Galatians. |
| Liz - | Yep. |
| Nigel - | So in Galatians two seven, that was the 153rd mention of Peter. In Galatians, the 150/353 mention of Paul was in Titus one one or Titus one, which says that, which is which mentions about the word being committed to me. |
| Liz - | Yeah. And it uses the same word in Galatians doesn't it. About committed. |
| Nigel - | So like I said, this isn't what we're talking about in this podcast. We're not talking about this is a sermon. We're saying that we have come across the information, which is I think for every single believer that is out there has to has to watch this information. If you know, if you know, if you got to church on Sunday. |
| Liz - | I think if you're serious about your faith and I would like to think that the people listening to this are serious about their faith and serious about their world. Walk with Jesus. Yeah. Then if you don't look at this and you don't have a copy of the King James Bible, you need to go out, get a copy of the King James Bible, start reading it. |
| Liz - | Start knowing that this is God's truth, that his word is infallible, nothing is random. And you need to watch these videos. I mean, we've watched them two or three times because there's so much information and there is. |
| Nigel - | Just I've just come across another one, which is a Luke 510, and so is also James and John, the Sons of 70, which were partners with Simon James, John, as Simon mentioned, 153 in 153 verses and from henceforth end up catching hundred and 53 fishes, all men. And so so it's just it's just if you're not blown away by this and B and think, wait a second, these two, this couple seem really kind of enthusiastic about this. |
| Nigel - | Maybe we should have a look at it yet. You've got to do it. It's on you. It's not on us. We've seen it, you know, we've done it twice now. And we look, we're constantly going through this, so we know that we've got it on the inside. And I think that the that. |
| Speaker 3 | The. |
| Nigel - | Critical point of this is if our works are based upon what what comes out of our mouth, what we how we communicate our faith, then you have to do it. My, my, my dad never shared anything. I think he wrote one scripture in a birthday card once, and that was a few years before he died. Was it never quoted anything, never shared the gospel, never talked about the gospel, nothing. |
| Nigel - | Just sat there and looked at me blankly when I would go on about it again and again and again. And even once he turned around and said, I'll share everything that you that you've been going on about with my local Catholic priest, because they were Catholics. And the Catholic priest said, Yeah, sounds right about all of it. Never compelled them to get baptized. |
| Nigel - | But I you know, that's how it is. So the point is, is that if, if, if you if if, if, if you call yourself a believer and you don't know this, you're going to want to eat this and get this on the inside as quickly as possible, it'll change. If it'll change something, it will change something inside you. |
| Nigel - | And, and I think that because we've heard so much nonsense from people about, you know, the just making stuff up and what we want, what we all want, we want the proof we want, we want the meat and potatoes we want absolute Don't give us this nonsense. Don't think that you can stand up there in the pulpit and tell us some story that you've concocted, which absolutely clearly is. |
| Nigel - | I mean, the amount of stuff that went through here, that's the same as that one I just read that, you know, talk about Ezekiel or talking about the nations and talk it about the fiction. that's the they're all copying each other. They're all knocking out the same sermons because they're getting them off the Internet. I saw one other one other entry on the on there to do with Brandon a 153 fish and that was just summarized. |
| Nigel - | But it's like, well, this is on it's on people to go and do something about this. |
| Liz - | I mean, from our point of view, you know, we sat there and watched this and every time we came up with something, we just like turned to look at one another as if to say. |
| Nigel - | Because he was like, hold. |
| Liz - | He can't even he can barely comprehend himself. |
| Nigel - | Can you can you see this? Can you see this? |
| Liz - | Yeah. I mean, he can barely comprehend himself and and the thing is, we just kind of looked at one another in sort of with our mouths open, literally with our mouths. |
| Nigel - | But the thing is, this is the proof, though, isn't it? This is the point of this. You know, you go through it and you go, Well, actually, I'm not I'm not going to church. We're not going to go to church for. Listen, listen to some fabrication, because that's all it is. And to say, yeah, they got it on faith. |
| Nigel - | Well, you probably gathered that we're not particularly pro church because too many churches are there because of the money. And they'll say anything they want, anything they possibly can say or will just say anything because they make up some kind of story for a sermon instead of saying and instead of saying. And people leave with some version of the Bible under their arm and are no better off, which I mean, if you go back to 1960, 10 million people went to church in the UK in the sixties. |
| Nigel - | That's down to like a million or less than a hundred thousand people stopped going to church every every month, every week. I can't report was now, but it was just a massive a massive number reduction every week. Every week, every week. And the sixties was the onset of the NIV Eastern mysticism, the pill, dope. Yeah, all this kind of stuff And that's that was that the spiral down because you've got you've got sermons being delivered by cool, hip and trendy individuals that think that they can. |
| Nigel - | Some of this stuff are seen like people bouncing up and down on trampolines. I saw that it was the Super Bowl where they used the word of God as a ball kicked the bucket that kicked the Bible. It you've got people that want to call themselves Christian, do what they are. Well, you know, have you live your best life now and everything else and you think, wow, when you read an or not read when you realize the the what's the word? |
| Nigel - | There's a word there that the sovereignty of that document and you really. |
| Liz - | So many adjectives to describe it infallible sovereign. |
| Nigel - | But you but it is absolutely to be revered because because of the that what we. |
| Liz - | Holy word of God. |
| Nigel - | What if we got down here all all if we, you know, accountants become accountants. Why why on earth would you want to become an accountant, for goodness sake? But there's a there's a logic in it because it's got to add. |
| Liz - | Up. |
| Nigel - | And people enjoy that. People like that. They like the perfection of numbers because it's got to add up. If it doesn't add up, it must be wrong. Yeah. Take those 68,000 words out of it. Your Bible does does not add up is the simplest way of putting it. And you know, if you're not, you can hear in our voices we are moved. |
| Nigel - | You can hear in our voices that we don't don't, don't listen to this crap that comes from other people. You got to do this for yourself, you know, people So so that the saying goes, you are responsible for your own salvation. That's it. Nobody else's. Absolutely nobody else. So if you don't get it on the inside, nobody's going to put it there for you. |
| Nigel - | And when it comes to Judgment day, so nobody told me, you think God is going to go, don't worry about it. Yeah, come coming. You had opportunity after opportunity. After opportunity. I did nothing and or rather not you, because you're you're still listening to us at 50 minutes. But people that you know, you know, done nothing and people are so quiet. |
| Nigel - | The speed at which people are ready to have a go is is breathtaking. But the only way that I see it and what we're going to touch on this next week as well because next week is about six, six, six. And again, I put a thing up about about the seventh, the very first one that we did, and I got this guy told me and said, you know, I don't need to worry about all these people. |
| Nigel - | Put their put these other verses in there and a mark and so on. And it was the later versions that or the earlier versions that I them was the later ones that included them. Well actually might you're wrong because there are 677 verses in Mark take the last 11 out and you're left with six, six, six. Well fancy that and this is this is what this faith is about. |
| Nigel - | And it's becoming more than faith is becoming a bit like mathematical perfection. You go, Well, if you don't like the perfection, then you're going to run away from it. And that's what people do. They're not people. People are not interested in it. You'll go push it, push it a little go. |
| Liz - | Okay. |
| Nigel - | But but so the point is, is that what do you do? You know, where do you want to take this? And I think for so for so many people, lots of people are looking. They're constantly seeking a seeking is seeking. They go to church and they go to some seeker sensitive church and you go, you know what? What's the difference and what is good and pop which church? |
| Nigel - | We went to the pub, they got a bar next to it. So you're looking at seeker sensitive churches who come up and talk about themes. Don't talk about the Bible. They talk about things about feeling good or feeling guilt or feeling this or that. It's really and you wonder why people get, you know, I can't be bothered doing this. |
| Nigel - | And then you've got the the, the, the firebrands, the ones that are going this is. |
| Speaker 3 | What I'm. |
| Nigel - | Screaming and shouting everything else. And it's like, you don't need to show me. Just tell me it's true. Prove to me it's true. And none of them can they come out with. Well, John was just to exaggerate in 153 fish, you reckon that's going to convince anybody? And some of the some of the some of the conclusions? I didn't say some of the conclusions. |
| Nigel - | Well, I just think the word of God is the word God. You know, you just have to go with it. And what the one that I my favorite is this one is like when you're looking at it and going 153 equals 153 equals 153 equals. And so Anderson sums up and you, you prefer what all of the nations or the races of men. |
| Nigel - | Why did you pick that one up? |
| Liz - | You see, I think the one that just I didn't quite understand when you read it to me before was the one about the, the marriage in the church and then the other one, the widows. And I was like, I have no idea where that comes from. I have no idea. |
| Nigel - | Don't it up. It's like the Catholic Church. |
| Liz - | So my God, this what I mean, I don't understand it. And it's like it's not even a percentage. |
| Nigel - | I can't even go with it. You can't? It's both Catholics respect me. I mean. so I just want to. I just want to just confirm something. I'm pretty sure. No, no. I thought 153 might divide by seven, but it doesn't. Not, you. |
| Liz - | Know. |
| Speaker 3 | So. |
| Liz - | So do you. Maybe it's not meant to. You know, it's not. |
| Nigel - | It's not meant to because it's just yet another mathematical perfection about the numbers of times and fishes of men and where it's relevant and where. |
| Liz - | The 40 doesn't divide by. |
| Nigel - | What, 40 days in the desert? Yeah. Yeah. 40 years. 40 days. 40 it 40 days fasting. Yeah. So, so that I, I think this, this a little bit shorter but. |
| Liz - | I mean I just think we want to encourage you, I mean most of all we just, I mean maybe our personalities and but we were just massively encouraged because, and because I've used this word quite a few times, I just think it's so profound that this these things in the Bible that we just take on face value. We say, it's just 253 lot fish, okay? |
| Liz - | And you read it and you just skip over it and you don't really give it much thought. And so, and, and yet it is so profound. |
| Nigel - | There are, there are other calculations. |
| Liz - | I mean, the sentence I knew about the. |
| Nigel - | No, no, no, no. And it's not not even there are other calculations that are based upon capitalized words, specifically capitalized words. |
| Liz - | Yeah. |
| Nigel - | It is like the same thing. But they just they just they just chose to write it in that particular way. No, they didn't. |
| Liz - | That it's inspired by God, you know, or that it's got God's fingerprint. |
| Nigel - | Well, it does. I mean, it does say that is it Peter? That is it's it's God's infallible. Infallible, not infallible. Well, God is in every breath. |
| Liz - | Every word is God breathed. |
| Nigel - | Everybody's got breath. Yep, that's right. But if we take that just a little a little to the side and go, because it is from God, he said it all. |
| Liz - | And you think this is where he's what you're alluding to? He he. |
| Nigel - | Dictated it. |
| Liz - | Yeah. |
| Nigel - | I mean, but, but not just Easter really. Fictionally. He literally dictated it from start to finish. He's the alpha and omega to be knows the beginning from the end of the end from the beginning. And so, you know, to inside out, back to front, upside down, right side up and nobody would and people go yes, of course, you know, it's just God isn't it. |
| Nigel - | It's like, give me a break. Look at the numbers. |
| Liz - | You know, that's proper, proper upset by people. |
| Nigel - | Because because they they because they. |
| Liz - | Diminish is God's word in the bishops. |
| Nigel - | But they turn people away from. |
| Liz - | God. I think so, Yeah, totally. I think, you know, things like this for nonbelievers, you know, we were talking about this when we were talking about, you know, proof and proof is a subjective thing. I think, you know, I want proof that God exists and some people's proof. |
| Nigel - | That when they want an apparition. |
| Liz - | Well, well, not always. Sometimes, you know, it might be an apparition. It might be. I'll. But I believe, God, if you can heal my bad leg, I'll believe God. |
| Nigel - | I believe in the afterlife. If a quavers go, they like quavers yes, says Peter Kay. But. |
| Liz - | But the thing is, you know, proof can be a subjective thing. And for some people this mathematical perfection could be the proof. And that's why we have an obligation to share it, because you don't know who's going to listen to it. You don't know who you're you know, the listener, you know our listeners, who you're going to share it with. |
| Liz - | And that's going to resonate with them and they're going to go, You know what? I never thought about that. So, you know, proof. Well, for us, it's it's not just the mathematical perfection of it. It's just part of it. Part of it is part. |
| Nigel - | And unlike next, like next week, for example, we're going to do six, six, six, but not your typical was it Obama? Is it Trump? Is it Biden is none of that. None of that nonsense we're talking about the numerical structure of six, six, six as it stands to understand what it means and when. And then as it can bring, we bring this into a close. |
| Nigel - | Now, I think. |
| Liz - | What I was just going to say, that we're currently beating Joshua, right? Because we've started again from the beginning. We read we do know well read of the Bible and and I was just thinking about the numbers of words, right? And the numbers and we're looking at that going, I can't even pronounce those names. And like, you know, all the different places and divides in Israel between the tribes and and you know, but the thing is, whilst they might be difficult for us to read and understand, I still think there is no randomness with God and always looked like sent you to don't you let go or recognize that and get a recognize that. |
| Liz - | What does it say about that? |
| Nigel - | The first the first the first verse in the beginning God created. |
| Liz - | Or in the beginning? |
| Nigel - | God no. My second. In the beginning, God created. Yeah. Every seventh word spells G.O.O.D. |
| Liz - | yeah, that's right. |
| Nigel - | And then you got these people got always your way. I always Jehovah was this. No it doesn't say that says God. Every seventh word spells God. So therefore I'm going with it's called is God and it's Jesus. Yeah, yeah. We're not, we're not worried. We're not say no, not worried, but we're not going to get hung up whether it's your way or the breath. |
| Nigel - | What I thought was great, like, you know, No, no. |
| Liz - | No, no, no. I know vowels with consonants. I don't know consonants. No vowels. |
| Nigel - | Anyway. But it does. It means you can. It's like the breath of life, you know? Yeah. Which I thought was I loved that one. I did like that one. But that. But the point is, is that the the the the, the total the total number of words that that you. |
| Speaker 3 | Just. |
| Nigel - | And the the numbers of words and number of numbers of verses and the frequency of the and the the X numbers of which equal this. And there are that many words in the Old Testament and that many words in the New Testament. The Old Testament make up 77% of the Bible. And it's it's just it just goes on and on. |
| Nigel - | But but this is the point. You know, people want to people want to get people want do want to know if the Bible is true and if it's true, how are we supposed to know? And once we once you do know it's true, what do you do about it? |
| Liz - | So and this is reaffirming I mean, this is reaffirming what we already believed, you know, and I think that's that's really, you know, for us, it's another it's it's another step forward, you know. |
| Nigel - | Because there's a lot of there's a part of me which thinks we will we go, we're blessed. We're born again, We've baptized and we've repented and we're making sure that it's like, I hope we've got it right. I really do hope we've got it right because that's true. You know, people even when people say so-and-so died and they're looking down at me on heaven. |
| Nigel - | No, they're not. They're not. They're they're asleep. They're waiting until judgment. So all these things that people have have been have grown up with and believed that that they're not true. |
| Liz - | Yeah, I'll just share this one final thing. It's nothing to do with 153 fish, but it was just a sort of a revelation. I had this week. So when people say that, you know, people say Jesus is alive, right? Which I know to be true. I know that Jesus is alive. You know, he's living in May, He's alive. |
| Liz - | It's true. But the the challenge that I've always had is that and this is a tradition, this is the way tradition works on believers and even nonbelievers. It's like the tradition is when you die, you go to heaven, right? |
| Nigel - | Yeah. |
| Liz - | So in my head, heaven is the place where the dead go. |
| Nigel - | Yeah. |
| Liz - | And so to say that Jesus is alive because he ascended into heaven, I, I realized this week that that has been a hindrance to in some ways to my faith, because people tell you again and again and again and again. And I'm really careful when people say, you know, this person's died over it. Therefore, I'm very careful not to say. |
| Liz - | And I don't want to upset people because they're already mourning the loss of a loved one or whatever. But I'm very careful not to say that they've gone to heaven, but that for me just this week and another that's completely off on a tangent, but it was just something that I thought, you know, that, you know, this is why it's so important to preach the gospel and that, you know, we share what we know with everybody that we know because it's we won't all go, you know, not everybody will go to heaven or well, not everybody will be with God and with Jesus when they die after the judgment. |
| Liz - | And so to keep saying that, you know, you go to heaven when you die, it's like, that's just not true. It's not true and it's not a biblical truth. And, you know, and so for me, that was it. That was quite a thing for me this week. And you probably are going and not even know why she's bringing that up or why that. |
| Liz - | But it was just important to me because in my head, that's what I've been told for the last 50 odd years, that, you know, when people die, they all go to heaven. |
| Nigel - | Yeah. And I think that the the I don't believe that we're going to be when we do die that when we go and we are judged and we I just think it will be a terrifying experience for a lot of people. |
| Liz - | I think it will be quite a scary experience for believers, too. |
| Nigel - | I think so, because because. |
| Liz - | We can't afford to be complacent in our relationship with God and Jesus ever. We have to be vigilant and it tells us to be vigilant and, you know, keep our lamps filled with oil. We have to be vigilant. We have to be mindful of own behavior, what we're doing, you know, we have to be holy as he is holy. |
| Liz - | That's what we're called to be. And that's and that's why we need God's word. Nobody finish on this. I think that's why we need God's word and that's why we need you know, what we've talked about today. The 153 fish is because this yet again shows that God's word is true. And if we're saying that God's word is true, we need to be in the word on a daily basis. |
| Liz - | You know, people are always going to keep true, but. |
| Nigel - | People. |
| Liz - | Need to know the truth. |
| Nigel - | And there's. |
| Liz - | There and the truth is in the word. |
| Nigel - | And we know it with our governments, with world governments, with world organizations, WEF, W.H.O., yada, yada, yada. We are and have been and are continuously lied to and therefore we must have something to stand on. The truth. Which is the truth. Yeah. And now you can be assured that the King James Bible is the truth. |
| Liz - | Amen to that. |
| Nigel - | Okay. Well, thanks for joining us and we will see you next week. And next week we're going to do a number. |
| Liz - | Going to 40. |
| Nigel - | Six slip there. We're going to do a number on six, six, six and explain, according to Brennan, what it means, what the deal is, and then we'll we'll take it from there. So thanks for joining us. Yeah I we'll see that Yeah. |
| Liz - | Have a blessed week. |
| Nigel - | Bye for now. Bye bye. |
