Proof of God IV: 666 The Mark of The Beast System - Ep 09 Transcript

Nigel:

Today, we're going to be talking about the mark of the beast, something everyone has got a view on has had an idea about and has probably seen loads of Hollywood films all about it. But but I'm sure you've got an opinion and a view on it as well.

Nigel:

I'm Nigel Maine. I'm your host. And my co-host is.

Liz:

Liz Maine - Hello.

Nigel:

And this is the Living in Faith podcast. And if you're a repeat viewer listener, no listener, not not viewers, listeners, you'll you'll know that we've been doing a short series about some videos that we've watched that relate to the authenticity of the Bible, which is just absolutely critical. And if we didn't think it was valid, we wouldn't talk about it.

Nigel:

But it's been so profound. It's had such an impact on us. There's really import we believe is really important to talk about it and to give you the kind of the the the inside track on this. But before we get underway, I'll pass over to listen at least to just a prayer about how we're trying to put this across this.

Liz:

So, dear Lord, we thank you that you are continuing to reveal yourself to us through the things that we have been watching this week and help us, Lord, just to communicate this and that. We do it with as much authenticity as we possibly can. So, Lord, we know that you're with us and we just thank you for your blessing.

Liz:

In Jesus name.

Nigel:

Amen. Amen. Amen. Well, I mean, basically, we we looked at we watched it. I think it's a second I've watched it twice. I've watched it three times. I think the the title of it is jaw dropping six, six, six. Discovery utterly proves the King James Bible is God preserved word. It's a short, snappy title, that is. Yeah, but.

Nigel:

But the point is a60666 thing is that, you know, we've we've all watched, you know, the whole holiday holiday. Hollywood interpretation of it. And, you know, it's a lot of kind of fantasy and stuff around six, six, six and the mark of the beast. And so what we what we were talking about, we were we were saying that there's fiction surrounding it and various themes around it and.

Liz:

And a lot of speculation around what it actually means.

Nigel:

I don't hundred percent. And this and the way that this has been presented on YouTube, it's kind of this really, really well planned out and thought out illustration, graphic illustration and showed how it all fits together. And I and I like this. There's so many parts to it. A so many. I'll come in. Come on to that in a minute.

Nigel:

But it's just loads and loads. Loads of it. It's like this copy simple way of presenting this because it's like saying, Well, I'm just going to read the Bible and then get a computer program and then work out how many times and the frequency these things happen and then you'll be fine. And it's like, well, not just I think that there there's this kind of big question with people that they don't there's there's such an attention span issue.

Nigel:

But it's not just attention span because people can't be bothered. It's something that has been in grind and trained into people to not want to know about the Bible. It's always boring, isn't it? And and I think that.

Liz:

And it's learned behavior from being in church where the typical sermon is between 30 and 40 minutes long. And if it's any longer than that, people get twitchy because they want to go home and have their Sunday lunch. So that's where that where we won't think anything of watching a two, two and a half hour movie.

Nigel:

I know. And so that that there's there are lots of themes about this. And I think it was it was it was trying to bring these themes, kind of bring these themes together because, I mean, my I suppose my earliest experience or knowledge of it was Damien Omen watching the films.

Liz:

yeah. I think I may have seen it, but yeah.

Nigel:

You know, and of course so I was aware of it and, and after and as I got older I heard different snippets of bits and pieces and, and then probably more, more latterly people going out. It's an RFID chip in your hand and so on.

Liz:

And it's the mark of the beast.

Nigel:

Yeah. Sorry. The mark of the beast is. And it's like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And so within I think within church and within the church, Christian faith communities, people want to talk about Mark the Beast, end Times and all this kind of stuff and what it is and what it isn't. And I mean, I know, you know, as I became as I was a Christian, I read the Left Behind series, there was like 13, 13 books in the series by charity High End Jerry Jenkins.

Nigel:

And within that, that was all about the mark, a specific mark and so on. And so and and then the rapture. And so that the view is, is that you, you know, if you if you, if you're left behind, if you're not taken up into the into the clouds with and to meet Jesus up there, then you'll be left behind and then those people will have to have people will have to adhere and agree to and accept the mark of the beast, or you're going to starve or get killed or whatever.

Nigel:

And so, you know, so, you know, Hollywood, you know, makes and remakes with it. It was Kirk Cameron. And then there was even Nicolas Cage. And there's people doing these left behind things. But but I think that the the biggest kind of deal was that nobody had a nobody had an actual definitive on it. And I think one of the one of the and so looking at this this this approach, this illustration of what it's about, you start to realize, wait a second, it could well have been about a mark.

Nigel:

But the problem what doesn't happen in church is people don't talk about this. They don't talk about all of the disparate ideas or, well, beliefs of.

Liz:

Beliefs. I don't think anybody has researched it because this is the first time we've ever seen anything specifically to do with six, six, six. You know, we've got our own hypotheses and people, you know, tell you stuff and whatever. But this is the first time we've ever watched anything that is specifically to do with 6x6 and what that means, because it's just it's a it's just one verse, isn't it, to all intents.

Liz:

And that's just one in Revelation.

Nigel:

It's not mentioned.

Liz:

Mentioned lots and lots of times.

Nigel:

No. But the and that's where it gets really very, very interesting because there's in John in one John 218 it says little children it is last this it is the last time and as you've heard the Antichrist shall come even now there are many Antichrist whereby we know that it is the last time. And I thought, well that was just about people that didn't like Jesus and so on.

Nigel:

And there's lots of people that are like atheist, so I guess they could be called Antichrist is on. And so it wasn't until we started looking at this and I copied this, this illustration, and it's very, very large because it's got lots of detail in it. And so there's a program called Figma, which is a graphics thing. But look, being able to look at it from the top down, you're able to start seeing themes or or.

Liz:

Patterns.

Nigel:

Patterns within it. So he's done this and put all these different things together and come to the music. But six, six, six isn't a person. This is my if this is, these are my words. Yeah. Six, six, six isn't a person. It's also a strategy, a system, and an explanation of all those in the Bible who would attack God.

Nigel:

Jesus, and the whole basis of what the Bible represents. And it's still being executed today. Nothing has changed.

Liz:

That's a very good kind of. Yeah, it's a really good kind of synopsis of what it seems to be.

Nigel:

Because people people want to see some bloke in red tights a pitchfork and that's that's what they think is going on and it's and it's not. And I'm going to talk I want to just kind of present what this is about. Some people will look at it and go online and look at it. Some people won't. That in the description there's a there's a link to the video and a link to the content so that you can and also a link to the article that I've written that's got all got a kind of a summary of it.

Nigel:

And that's the point. I want to do a summary because that the video that he's got is nearly 2 hours long. So I've watched it twice. You've watched it three times. So think about how many hours that is too, to try and get a handle on this. And three quarters of a million people have watched it.

Liz:

Yeah.

Nigel:

That's a lot of people. But look at the other stuff is gone. And we said this the other day. We look at the other videos. Some of them are really have gotten much, much less viewers. And you think that should be wrong. You should be bouncing off the ceiling having watched the six, six, six. Yeah. Surely you would be compelled to watch.

Nigel:

Yeah. And people are not and it's like and I find that really.

Liz:

But isn't that what people are interested in? I mean I think it shows that the I and I think this whole six six, six thing and other stuff that we've talked about that post millennial ism and so on. Yeah, I think there's definitely an appetite for for this because I think people are looking at and times now and saying is this, is this end times?

Liz:

I mean I've always believed that and we've been since Jesus's resurrection, we've been in end times.

Nigel:

This is the Times. Yep, yep, yep.

Liz:

How you can interpret what happens after that and where we are right now? I don't know. You know, we all have our different opinions over that.

Nigel:

That's not next week. It's the week after. Yeah.

Liz:

But I do think we've got and you know, I think the appetite and the interest in it is, is it even for people that perhaps aren't Christians aren't or aren't believers that the whole 6x6 thing has got a real fascination.

Nigel:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Liz:

I got a fascination for people.

Nigel:

I think it's a fantasy thing as well. The Hollywood fantasy thing and and what have you and at trying to that's better.

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Okay.

Nigel:

So you know, it, it, it lends itself to, I don't know, like the horror films, the scary films, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, but, but when you, when you start breaking it down, it's very specific within the Bible. And there are there are people that are associated to six, six, six and you think they just the nasty people are they won't actually.

Nigel:

No, they're not. So let me just run through these. There's one, two, three, four, five, six. Is that, there's a few of them and we just go, So we've got these are the nights. Just just listen to the names. The serpent, Satan, Jehovah, Kim, Nebuchadnezzar, Absalom, Solomon and an iconic hymn, The Chief Priests and Scribes, Judas Iscariot. Where you go, people go, yeah, The Beast.

Nigel:

The Woman, Emperor Nero. And then we've got counterfeit Bibles, which is out, which is kind of bit separate, but it's still there.

Liz:

Yeah, this kind of Nero in the content five was maybe in brackets.

Nigel:

Yeah, kind of. Kind of. But everything about these names, they're all connected based upon the frequency of them being mentioned, the frequency of verses, the placement of their names. In the first and last times they've been mentioned. I mean, and the multiplication of, of those, the sum of those numbers. So we talked the other day about 625 was 70 times.

Liz:

List to do with Monastir and 50.

Nigel:

375 7153 we came to 625. So but that was, that was that to do with the fish last week. So it's for us is kind of a bit of a bizarre experience looking at this in the Bible because the the message that's coming across loud and clear is that the the the the Bible is what it says it is.

Nigel:

But lots of people would want you to not believe it. And then I come we're coming to the second. But if we get some mention. The serpent. Yeah, the serpent plus in I think is in Genesis it says the serpent is more subtle. Yeah. Than any other. Some so. So the serpent plus more plus subtle is mentioned in 666 verses the serpent plus beast plus sin.

Nigel:

It's got 666 mentions. The devil plus sin plus sins, 666 mentions. And Egypt has got something as an issue to do with Pharaoh and say so Satan plus Egypt 666 mentions Satan plus holy 666 mentions as a there's a part here. It relates to Deuteronomy. But when when Jesus meets or is confronted with Satan, Satan tries to confront Jesus in the wilderness after his baptism, Jesus responds with three verses from Deuteronomy and those verse, those verses a verse number 248 to 10 and 207 plus one because of the way it was presented, they add up to 666 says and there's a voice of the Lord that renders recompense to his enemies is Isaiah 66, verse

Nigel:

six. And Jehovah Came is the first mention of him. It's in two kings in the 666th verse of Kings, and he did evil in the sight of the Lord. He burned the Lord's book and he got blotted out. His descendants were blotted out. Nebuchadnezzar, the first mention of the word three school, which is 60, is the 60/666 verse of the Bible in Genesis.

Nigel:

Sorry that the word three scored the first time that was mentioned. It was in Genesis. The last mention of three score is in Revelation and Nebuchadnezzar has mentioned 60 times and the image goal was 60 times six 603 school and plus six has got 60 times six mentions. Absalon, who desired the heart of man, exalted himself. And that's that's the 666 mention of man in the Bible.

Nigel:

Moving on to Solomon. Solomon, not many people say recognize, but Solomon was given 666 talents of gold in one year, and one year can constitute 360 days. Solomon plus 600 plus three score plus six is mentioned 666 times.

Liz:

Because Solomon turned away from God. Yeah.

Nigel:

Yeah.

Liz:

Went after idols that.

Nigel:

You trust me the list goes.

Liz:

On and on. It's a huge diagram I.

Nigel:

Mean a dollar him had 666 children, but with him his mention was 666, not three school because he didn't do evil in the sight of the Lord. He wasn't mentioned three it was mentioned 603 score and six. All the others were okay. And it's like so and you know, you know it just like Judas. Everyone, everyone's Judas is mentioned the first time it relates to his disciples.

Nigel:

Not walking with them anymore is John six verses 66. The word betray is mentioned six plus six plus six. The 666th verse in the New Testament is in Matthew 2018, which is a Solomon shall be betrayed unto the Chief priests. The name Judas appears exactly as the 66 word in verse in John 666 and John I it just it just based okay based plus mark plus sin 666 times wisdom plus understanding plus the number plus based 666 mentions numbers plus mark plus sin 666 mentions.

Nigel:

I mean it it should be stunning. Anybody that's that's aware of this or insight into this should be absolutely gobsmacked.

Liz:

And I think the thing to point out here is this these numerical perfections that we're talking about are in the King James Bible.

Nigel:

Yeah. When want come on today and because it's so important, I mean just we've been told so many times I choose would choose whichever one you like, whichever flavor you like any Bible to do it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's not, it's no big deal as long as you've got Bible. And that's where you're supposed to hide your money, though, because nobody ever opens it.

Nigel:

And so you've got and there's things that relate to the woman in a mystery Babylon woman plus mystery plus Babylon 666 mentions woman plus Solomon 666 mentions. I did. I posted this thing up at it. I'm sure I told you I post up a post up I'm and not a post. It was the podcast on YouTube. And this guy responded and said, you don't know what it's all about because earlier versions or later versions included the verses.

Nigel:

The additional additional verse is they might have some additional verses in mark. So the point about Mark is that the, the full version of Mark has 677 verses in it. The quest, the ones that are questioned are 11 verses 11 from 677 brings you back down to 666 verses. So that the point here that we're getting at is that I mean, even if you look at Solomon, a Donna Kim based plus six, there are 666 mentions in the King James Bible.

Nigel:

And the new King James is 588 mentions the S English standard version 524 mentions the NAACP new as new American Standard Bible 425 mentions.

Liz:

I've gotten less.

Nigel:

NIV 418 fancy that. So you can see these Bibles are different. They're they're omitting words to put a figure on it. Something like 68,000 words are not in there. That's a lot of words. I wrote a book and it was 60, 66,000 words in it.

Nigel:

So to leave out virtually all books. So it's just kind of just I'm going to kind of complete this these bits to do to do with this video, this this video. And then we're just kind of I can't remember the chart. There's a thing called a codex and Atticus, the Vatican is in the Codex C and in there is that they say that that they show the the Greek and the Greek translation in the actual Greek says and another took a spear and pierced his side and there came out water and blood and that was supposed to be Matthew two 2749 But in the written translation and below it it says the rest said, let

Nigel:

it be. Let us see whether Elias will come down to save him. So the Greek says one thing the English says another. Yeah, it's these three codex is that have been responsible for the translation of all these other Bibles. So how you they write, they don't even translate it accurately themselves, let alone whatever is in the other Bibles.

Liz:

So what you say. So you saying that in the it's in the Greek.

Nigel:

And in the Greek actually says they pierced him.

Liz:

Yes.

Nigel:

But if they pierced him in 2749 he would have died before he went up to heaven. Before he came, before he chose to give up the ghost, Right. Yeah. It's like so. But in in there, in the actual English, it doesn't say the same as it says in the Greek. So it's like, well, so you read it in the Greek, but you chose not to put it in because it would have been I think overtly blatant that it was wrong.

Liz:

Yeah.

Nigel:

So it's very so we can see that there are so many that there are counterfeit Bibles out there. But why, you know, why why would they do it? But like I said before, you know, if you got the something like the Indiana Jones Templar do I didn't mention.

Liz:

It, you know. No, it's the last Crusade.

Nigel:

Last crusade, Last crusade. So you've got the you've got the last crusade and you've got the is towards the end. So you must have watched it by now.

Liz:

We've lost it six times at least.

Nigel:

So. So Indiana Jones goes in to get that to choose the goblet, to choose the Holy Grail. And it gets pushed out the way.

Liz:

By the villain.

Nigel:

By the villain, and the villain picks up the really bright.

Liz:

Girl that picks it up, doesn't it? She her eyes are light sources and.

Nigel:

She's looking and the bloke comes along and drags it away from her and thinks he's going to get over like he's going to live forever. And take life. And so he chooses. He doesn't choose wisely. And of course what it is, you've got to choose the right one, doesn't matter what it looks like. And of course, in the you chose wisely, my son.

Nigel:

And and, you know, Sean Connery got to live another day. But the point is, is same is the same principle in a way. And I wonder where they got the idea for that, you know, that part. But anyway, the point is, with all these different Bob was around which one to choose.

Nigel:

No. How would you know if your new believer how do you know nobody's ever going to tell you. It's like, don't read that. That's all. That's really complicated. All old, old fashioned talkin kind of Elizabethan types. you don't want that. And it's an it and it's. That sounds good enough. Really? That's just to purchase an old version.

Nigel:

Yeah, but the reality is, I'm going to come on to this more in detail next week, but it's actually authorized and directed by God the way that it's been translated.

Liz:

That compiled as well and.

Nigel:

Compiled because because of all this being in a certain sequence, this the sequencing within the King James Bible is perfect, numerically perfect. Yeah. And so if you you know it's a bit like blockchain. If you if you look at blockchain, it's all about it's about being numerically in numerically perfect because you can't you can't hack it.

Liz:

Okay.

Nigel:

Same as this. You can't hack it because it's it's perfect, numerically perfect. Every single word from start to finish. It's there's this is it was it 790,000 wasn't it. I think something like that. But it's numerically perfect. Right. So therefore you can be assured that it is it actually is the word of God as opposed to two counterfeit versions, which people want you to think not only can we get you to read the counterfeit version, but also we can get you to not be assured that the King James Bible is the accurate version is the only version.

Nigel:

Because if everybody accepted it was the only version, why would you print something else? You wouldn't do it. You'd be perfectly content and cover almost not the right word to use in this context, but the word of God.

Liz:

You would. But I also think it's that reference towards it, because it's been compiled in such a way as we can see now with with what we've been watching and the this particular computer program that enables us to make these searches, how, you know, is numerically perfect, But it just adds weight to the argument that this is God's truth and that we revere it.

Liz:

I mean, just recent I think it was in the last. Well, at the Super Bowl, anybody watches I think it was the Super Bowl, wasn't it. They that did a dropkick on the on the Bible didn't know.

Nigel:

It was a church that did it. Yeah. It was a church that was doing it.

Liz:

It was Joseph.

Nigel:

Church. So doing a show for everyone and they dropkicked it. They held that they held it. They held to the corner of the Bible as if it was a bull, a football, and some equivalent kicked it.

Liz:

I didn't know it was a church. I only looked at it, not kind of turned away from it in disgust. I'm even more disgusted that it was a choice. Just no idea.

Nigel:

The thing that the thing the thing about it is that I think that people we've become so conditioned to accept this kind of intense stimulation, you know, whether I don't, you know, whether it's like, you know, before cocaine or sugar. Sugar, sugar is a good one because sugar is is more addictive than cocaine. But we want stimulation. We want we want that dopamine fix.

Nigel:

We want to be able to see, you know, we want to be kept a bit like gladiator. You know, I, you know, entertain, you know, we want to be entertained constantly. And if we don't get it, it's boring. Hence 30 minute sermons or 20 minute sermons. that's good. We're in and out of there.

Liz:

And not only the 30 minute sermons, but also the preaching for the bitching is always.

Nigel:

Yeah, he's preached on themes, isn't it. Yeah.

Liz:

So at the time.

Nigel:

So I think that the the that the point here that there is a very big issue about 666 and there is a critical and I think fundamental understanding is required that says all right and so why is it going on. Well it was it was a big deal then. And I would say for us, we we've spent a lot of time doing this.

Nigel:

No, no more than lots of other people out there. But it it takes up a lot of our time because we want it to because we've got to understand it. And this comes back to the whole living in facing. What's the point? What's the point in doing this point, doing this, this podcast, they think about doing stuff is we do stuff because we believe it, not because it's going to earn his brownie points or be viewed as works or anything like that.

Nigel:

Yes, they are works, but so's brushing your teeth, you know. But, but these, these works that we do are our reference to God. And it is the the time that we spend doing this is our work because we believe it. We are we're living this way. Therefore, our life is our work.

Liz:

Something we want to communicate it, you know, because when something really touches you or something, when something is really, really profound, like the gospel and you have to share it, I mean, this isn't something that we can kind of keep to ourselves because.

Nigel:

But I would say that, you know, you got the gospel and then you got the explanation of this. I think that's that's the big that for me, that's the big deal is the if you're talking about evangelism and if you're if you're talking about, okay, so here we are. We're we're talking about faith. Who's going to watch, who's going to listen to a Living in Faith podcast, except people that are interested in it or are already believers?

Nigel:

I mean, they've got to come across it in the first place. And so one of the one of the things we're told, we're we're told to always be ready to to not preach, but to answer questions, to be to talk about it, to be available, to not shy away from talking about the gospel. So, okay, fine. But the other part of it is so many people are adept at dismissing it.

Nigel:

You know, they call themselves atheists. But what people don't realize is that atheism didn't kick off until the 1800s didn't happen before then. Wonder why that was. I mean, that's not next week. That's the week after.

Liz:

Yeah, it's kind of hot on the heels of the enlightened age of the Enlightenment.

Nigel:

So atheism was it was there and since that time people have become quite adept at dismissing the Bible. And you've got people that will dismiss creation in favor of evolution. Everybody's just so, so clever and it really chases me off something big time because you can say that you believe in the Bible and people just look at you like you're mad and I mean, the way that I work, I mean, I'm in business.

Nigel:

I've been in business most of my most of my adult life as in run my own thing. And it might be something to do. Well, you know, my old man was and so on. But I always ended up justifying what kind of a talk and always present some kind of justification. And a lot of the time when it came to the Bible, it's like, Well, here's the proof.

Nigel:

It's proof in the Bible, Proof in the Bible, proof the Bible. And people roll their eyes. You go 2000 years old, you expect me to believe that and you kind of end up going putt, putt, putt putt. Well, I don't I believe it. I believe it, you know, and we got baptized. We believe it. Whereas now, I mean, I'm like, come on.

Nigel:

Yeah, come and have a go if you think you're old enough, because here is a mathematical mechanism with it within the Bible and only this particular version that says you can't deny it, like the guy in it was having a go. Okay, I've responded and said, I think you're being unfair and misleading about what you've said, especially to people that are new believers, because if you deduct 11 from 677, you left with 666 versus Matthew, you never respond, Mark, you never responded.

Nigel:

I have to say secret. You think it's gotcha. But but but it's but the point is, is having something that is mathematically perfect. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson, whatever his name is, he can't deny this. None of them can. Nobody can.

Liz:

Know.

Nigel:

So it's like you want to use your pseudo physics and goodness knows what. I'll write a raise if I raise you a mathematical Bible.

Liz:

The thing is, if you make that comparison between a science book or any kind of text book, but a science book, particularly because obviously science books are written by men and yeah, and whatever. And then people always come back with this argument. Well, the Bible was written by men. Yes, it was a science book, but you have no problem.

Liz:

Believe in something that was written in a science book that you you might have empirical proof of it, but you believe it because it's a science book. Yeah. Whereas the Bible is we have no problem believing two plus two is four when that is not in any in doubt in anybody's mind. And but to then believe that the Bible has got this numerical perfection running through it, not just the 6x6, but obviously the other things we've talked about like 17 times seven and seven, seven, seven and one, five, three and and all these threats that run through it.

Nigel:

Wait until we get 1611 next week.

Liz:

But but the thing, you know, when you when you look at these things, it's like it's undeniable that this the the King James Bible was not put together by man in you know, man whether he was dressed up in a in a in a dress, in a whatever several hundred years ago or not is, is actually.

Nigel:

Well, if you think about what we've been taught we've been told when we became believers information that's out there that it was the church that chose the verse numbers and the numbering and the the yeah, the verse numbers and this and the, the chapter sorry, the chapters and verses that it was, it was the church that chose it.

Liz:

Yeah.

Nigel:

Okay. And you just accept it.

Liz:

And they also chose which books were put into it.

Nigel:

And they said yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just going to be these ones that, you know, leave, leave Maccabees out there of the main kind of leave Bartholomew's out there, leave Enoch out of it. And this one is just going to be the arc we just accepted. That was the church's decision.

Liz:

And, and then of course, being short changed because it's not got some of those Bible like, you know, it's not got the Book of Enoch in it, which you can get you can book because we've got it. Yeah. And and then being critical of church because they didn't include Enoch in this which would have thrown everything out.

Nigel:

Yeah. So, so the whole you know when you look at it in that in that respect you think there is no way ever way that they could have done that back then because the verse is a numbering that is available and even the capitalization of the word Lord and certain words equate to specific numbers because they're they're capitalized.

Nigel:

It was the 1611 that capitalized Lord when it referenced Jehovah. So the 1611 using capitalization for the word Jehovah showed that it again proved its authenticity and that.

Liz:

We'll go into that next week. You see that's just as fascinating as justice.

Nigel:

And the point is that, you know, when people, you know, everybody knows that say everybody that there are there are people in in the Middle East that chop people's heads off because they're Christians. So to say that everybody knows that people out there have got the needle, we Christians, you'd be right. Everybody does know it was on the television everywhere.

Nigel:

And and the point is, is that they're all saying, we just disagree with you. And it's like, I don't care what you think. This is the verified word of God. And if you think about here we are with the 1611 King James Bible plus get the figure right. It was like 161 or some hundred and 61 other versions.

Nigel:

And there's one version, the Koran, one version of the Torah and one version of the Talmud. Although there are many books published, I think the Talmud is got lots of stuff in the works. What is, in fact, is more horrific than the Koran towards non-Jews. So here we are. We've got something that can be ridiculed, kicked, burnt, dismissed, rubbished and multiple different versions.

Nigel:

Yet there is one the public domain version of 1611, which is not allowed to be touched.

Liz:

And yet there's no copyright on it. So you can lift verses out of it and use them to your heart's content. Yep.

Nigel:

Yep.

Liz:

So that that can then be disseminated freely.

Nigel:

Yeah.

Liz:

Around the world in any form, you know, whether it's in a book or whether it's on the website, you know, whatever, or in a church, you can use it without any and you can use it without any copyright. I'm intrigued to know what the the thing was about Nero. Did you get into that at all?

Nigel:

Yeah. I mean, with with Nero, there's a, there's a, a kind of a mention about Nero and that, that really kind of that.

Liz:

Because it's related. I know it's not within the Bible, but it's a related topic, isn't it?

Nigel:

Well, we didn't put with him Paul's epistles. Everything meant everything is reference, especially Tim, to Timothy, which was his last one. Every verse talks about he's about how he's been treated and persecuted and how the church is falling away. So everything, so everything talks about that. But, but it's into Timothy. It mentions about it makes a reference to Nero.

Liz:

to say.

Nigel:

Not by name, but by the fact it's Caesar.

Liz:

Yeah. and that was and Caesar will say okay.

Nigel:

So the first verse of two, Timothy has got 6600 is sorry is the 6666 verse of the New Testament right. The verse text of two Timothy is 1666 words and the verse text of two Timothy the vowels is 2666 vowels, and the phrase Take mark as intake market based is word two. This is intuitive. That is what 216, which is six times six times six.

Nigel:

And that's in the paragraph that refers specifically to Nero. So I think that is not for next week, it's the week after because we're going to talk about in times as in the, the actual end times timelines and time timelines because there are there's there's a great deal of controversy about whether we are at the precipice of Jesus, his second coming or the precipice of his third coming.

Liz:

His final.

Nigel:

Final return. And to you and I think to make a difference. Time's up. Time's up.

Nigel:

But It is a it is a very just an intensely interesting story or presentation of of the fact that we have joined together.

Liz:

Yeah. And we're not the only ones. I mean, there's a growing movement as well, I think. And when you when you kind of factor all this in, I mean, the thing to do is Nero and, you know, the six, six, six and the whole Bible.

Nigel:

Were Nero Nero in the market and the market the we go if you go we look at that. Well during Nero's time and times it talks about the Seven Kings and one was injured and one didn't last very long and so on. And that points to it being the Caesars and Nero's time. People said, you can't do that Caesar, because they were Caesar's, they were like Emperors.

Liz:

Hills as well doesn't it.

Nigel:

yeah.

Liz:

In Revelation.

Nigel:

And so that back to Rome and they talk about this, you can't, you can't be Caesar's because, because we're talking about kings. We're talking about kings. You go, Yeah, but the Pharisees said to pilot, or rather the pilot said to the Pharisees, he says, Is your king of the Jews? And the Pharisees say, We have no king but Caesar.

Nigel:

So the Pharisees are saying that you can't go and you can't chop and change your mind, just do so. So and that and having a mark the beast What they they said and and what we've seen is that a marker, a coin was given to people that confirmed it was a coin or a certificate or writing or something that that confirmed that these people said that Nero was their God and therefore they could buy and sell.

Nigel:

So go figure.

Liz:

On the persecution of the Christians.

Nigel:

I mean, it was it was absolutely horrific what they did. And, you know, people say, no, it's not it's not persecution. That's not tribulation. You you try telling the Christians then being thrown to the lions and being set alight with tar poured over them as, as as years or the kind of lamps.

Liz:

Sort of nights wasn't.

Nigel:

Like, I was just so. So the point is, is that to on the on for many people that the Bible is presented as being some boring old book, you don't want to read it but then when you.

Liz:

Start and not having any power I think that's what came across to me loud and clear. Was this the King James Bible has power and embedded is probably not even sufficient to to to God. But within it, I mean, totally within that, the heart of the book is the power of God.

Nigel:

And I, I also think that the the the critical point is to on is to understand, like, like I said about works, it's not about doing stuff, you know, and standing on a street corner and screaming and shouting at people that's not works. But I mean, I said this the other day about what? What does God do? What will he do?

Nigel:

And I think we'll talk about prosperity, gospel, preachers and so on.

Liz:

yeah.

Nigel:

And, and and people in business and people that give it the big one and go, you know, we've made millions or whatever. It's all thanks to God. Is that right? Some schools ago. thanks to God. He's just got £1,000,000 bonus. Thank you. He's going for this. Amazing. Thanks to God. Now there's a difference between Thank you people saying I got this because of God or all honor and glory goes to you, God, and you can take the money as well.

Nigel:

But that never happens. So the point is, what the point I'm making is that when people make this big play about what God has bestowed on them, and I look at it and go, So those children, those children, those babies that have been aborted, God, God wasn't interested in them? No. Or the people that got executed in the Middle East because of their faith.

Nigel:

God wasn't interested in them know, or the people that are persecuted in China. God's not interested them. No, no. It's just their tough luck. Right. But God's blessed you with a lot of money and a lot of which right now makes that makes so much sense. And so the the point the point is, is we being tested on this earth and our our duty and what's expected of us is to believe God is to acknowledge and believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Nigel:

He came, died for our sins. We get we repent, get baptized, and and look to live on the straight and narrow and do what God instructs us to do. We might be might screw up a bit, but we get back on it again as quickly as we possibly can. That's the whole point. And when our end comes, we know we can be assured that we will live in eternity with him.

Nigel:

Now. Now look at what other other people say. Well, so-and-so died and I'm not going to be with him. You know, when he went, you know, I'm going to be with her when I when I go to heaven, I. Have you repented and got baptized, believe in Jesus. No, I'm interested in that. Obviously, you got to go to heaven.

Nigel:

No, we're free for all. Is it anybody's welcome? Why shouldn't you go to hell? Well, I'm a good person. Okay. Is that. Is it a when you start pulling apart, you think that the world has done a cracking job on deceiving people into thinking anything goes. You know, you can be offended and be recompensed because you're. You're offended.

Nigel:

Do you think you're going to get into heaven because you were offended if you don't get into heaven?

Liz:

I mean, the thing about heaven, because we talked about this the other day attitudinally heaven is where God is, which is where Jesus is. You know, God is in heaven. That's not where we go when we die. We we we are in God's waiting room. If you want to put it like that. We're in God's waiting room and we're sleeping.

Liz:

Yeah, because it say sign the word and it's only on the day of judgment at the white throne. Judgment when that decision is made, whether you go that way or whether you go that way. And this is down to God. But before then, we're all just sleeping.

Nigel:

Yeah.

Liz:

So. And then heaven will come down to earth. So we do not go to heaven. The eternal city, as it says in Pilgrim's Progress, comes down to earth. Yep. So there is no heaven. Let people go when they die. I know. We just were waiting and there was just something else she said there when you were talking about God.

Liz:

Not interested in those Christians that are being persecuted in China and there's a lot of truth in the saying ours is not to reason why. And about understanding because it says in Proverbs three and you note trust in the Lord and Lee not unto your own understanding, because God's understanding of things and our understanding of things. If we try to understand everything that goes on, we will drive ourselves absolutely bonkers because there is no way you can understand what God's plan is.

Liz:

And his plan is different, you know, because his ways are higher than always. His thoughts are higher than all sorts. And so because we can't we didn't we strive to have the mind of Christ, and that is to live in a Christlike way and to think as Christ. Things focus on Jesus. Don't think, focus on your circumstances. Don't focus on the things that are not going right in your life.

Liz:

Focus on Jesus because he has the answer is there in him that he came to, you know, he died for us so that we will be set free from all of that going on in whatever is going on in the world. So this understanding is like we can't we don't understand it. And in many ways we're not supposed to understand it.

Liz:

We're supposed to give that to God and just say, God, you know, what's going on? I'll give it to you. I leave it with you because I. I could never understand. I could never understand what's going on. And that's, you know, everything that's going on in the world. We can we can think. We know why things are going on.

Liz:

And we're going to talk about this on the time lines and so on. And we can make judgments based upon the Bible and based upon the evidence that we see around us. But we can't but we can't know for sure. So our our understanding of things, there are certain things we just have to live with God because he you know, he knows that we're curious.

Liz:

He knows we have that curiosity streak in his. And that's why and and I think curiosity is a God is a gift that God gives. And but there are certain things you have to. So I, I don't understand this. I don't know why it's going on apart from it being perhaps a satanic, you know, a demonic thing that's going on.

Liz:

But Lord, you are suffering over all of that.

Nigel:

Yeah.

Liz:

And therefore I can trust you in this situation.

Nigel:

Well, this thing, you know, looking at the satanic stuff and say, So you got Hollywood and all this stuff that goes over there and we all see it. We saw the symbolism and the covering in eye in the pyramids and all this kind of stuff. So we've got all this deeply disturbing and shocking behavior from all of these people that have a sway over people.

Nigel:

And then you've got kind of like the other lot slop and the when Jesus was here and he left, he said, you know, I'll leave you with my peace. Now, the thing about peace, what is it? Well, when you get it, you'll understand it. And there's a couple of things. One is about understanding his peace and to to understand his peace, you have to study, give to study the word.

Nigel:

You have to read it and get it and talk about it and and do all sorts. And gradually you start to realize, you know, you know, if, for example, you want to be a heart surgeon, you don't wake up one morning and go, I want to be a heart surgeon. I'll just pray to God and he'll give me the ability to become a heart surgeon.

Nigel:

And so I can start a new job tomorrow. It ain't going to happen. So to become a heart surgeon, you have to study. But because you understand and you you're prepared to study and you follow through and you don't get distracted and so on. There's a there's a high likelihood that you will achieve it. I can't tell you the percentages of heart surgeons that are believers, but it doesn't matter.

Nigel:

It doesn't matter what it is, because the app, you know, it's it's what you see in life. And if you have peace in in what you do in life and you you are expected to read, learn and study the Bible in this. And therefore that requires reading it and using your brain to reason and rationalize what's in there.

Nigel:

The same would happen if you want to study to become a heart surgeon, you have to read and study and learn it. If you've never read and studied anything, you're going to find it very difficult. And so part and parcel of this life is, is to be prepared to read and study. Now, once you read and study the Bible, you start to understand is peace, which gives you the desire, not necessarily the desire.

Nigel:

God puts the desires on your heart, but it it gives you the fortitude, the mechanism, the logic to pursue other things in the same way, and not just expect to snap your fingers and be gifted something on a plate, but to follow it through and to have a a peaceable air about you. I guess the way that you look at and review subjects, does it matter what they are, whether it's learning or reading or kids or family as matter what it is, it's about having peace.

Nigel:

And so I, I just see them being quite closely knitted.

Liz:

Well, I think, you know, you can't you can't say that, you know, the will of God without knowing the word of God.

Nigel:

Yeah.

Liz:

And so you've got to start in the word first, because if you want to understand what God's will is not just for your life, but for humanity, what is what is the will of God, for humanity in general, for all of us. And you'll never know that unless you know the word of God. Yeah, and I think it's in Peter and it says, you know, it's not and it's not God's will.

Liz:

The initial perish, but the all shall come to salvation. That is true, you know, that is his will. But some will not come to salvation, some will reject it. Even if they know there were people that have studied the word and know the word. Yeah, but they don't. I think what the piece that's missing there is the Holy Spirit.

Liz:

But but in order to know what God's will is, you have to know what God's word is. And you have to there is one version there is one Bible, and that is the King James Bible, and everything else is a pale, poor, counterfeit version of of that of that truth. Yeah. And that's why I think you have to, you know, the King James Bible, the only Bible that is going to give you that that truth because of its perfection.

Nigel:

I mean, I had a thought that the way that it is presented, the language that is presented within the King James Bible, what if it is the language of God?

Liz:

Yeah, the language of heaven, You said, Yeah.

Nigel:

What if.

Liz:

Yeah, because language didn't change dramatically, you know, from 1611.

Nigel:

Onwards. Because you said you said this morning about, you know, you look at it and people say, well, if you haven't read it in the Hebrew and the Greek, you haven't got the original, it's like and therefore you've got this snobbery about, you know, and this academic academia approach to.

Liz:

Snobbery.

Nigel:

Academic snobbery. Yeah. And, and it's like, well, for me to really get to know the word of God, I need to learn Hebrew and Greek. No, because whether you've got the Hebrew or Greek, the 1611 King James Bible and and some of the the information in the Hebrew and Greek is still mathematically perfect, which means you can be 100% assured.

Nigel:

Yep. I mean, there's this little thing, 100% sure that what you are reading is God's approved copy, not version is the authentic original. Yeah, and and I'm not. Many people know that. And so, you know, when it comes to understanding his word that's that's all you need to know Yeah. And therefore it kind of brings and what we're going to talk about next week because we're going to bring this in to a close.

Nigel:

What we're going to want next week is the 1611 authentic structure and how it came about and.

Liz:

Significance of.

Nigel:

It. And is it will absolutely leave you as you won't. You'll be stunned. Yeah, absolutely.

Liz:

So we were like.

Nigel:

And so and so I think that you know with with that at that point so so next week we've got the 1611 and the week after we're going to do a timeline and that'll be that would be, I would say properly controversial because lots of people disagree, lots of.

Liz:

Sides, lots of opinions around here.

Nigel:

Also. But I think I think that that'll do nicely for today. Yeah. I think we'll wrap it up. So it's goodbye from me. I'll but we'll speak again next week.

Liz:

Yeah. And from me God bless, Bye for now.

Nigel:

Bye.